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Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537235
08/05/2015 14:59
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I'm picking up a drilled box and k&n tomorrow.

But it seems I have bigger issues with over boosting to worry about before as I found out last night when I blew the intercooler apart on the m40

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537240
08/05/2015 15:03
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Originally Posted By: suba

Cone filters will have your passengers looking in your glove box for Darth Vader (might be just what you are after noise wise!)

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SIP + cone filter is the shit!


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Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537241
08/05/2015 15:14
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Excuse me for the stupid question but what's sip?

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537244
08/05/2015 15:27
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Straight induction pipe (sip) used on bigger turbo's.

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537253
08/05/2015 17:01
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Oooops my bad I've never heard it called that before lol

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537264
08/05/2015 18:45
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Originally Posted By: Shaggydub
I'm picking up a drilled box and k&n tomorrow.

But it seems I have bigger issues with over boosting to worry about before as I found out last night when I blew the intercooler apart on the m40


I doubt that is down to boost unless you are either running a stock IC with plastic end caps, or a very poorly made aftermarket one.

Are you sure it blew apart rather than just leaking a bit? tongue

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537289
08/05/2015 21:51
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Originally Posted By: Shaggydub
I'm picking up a drilled box and k&n tomorrow.

But it seems I have bigger issues with over boosting to worry about before as I found out last night when I blew the intercooler apart on the m40


Do you have a boost gauge fitted? If so what does it read on full boost?

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537290
08/05/2015 21:52
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It is a standard ic with plastic ends. I've driven a fair few of these coupes and I've never had a standard one that pulls like this.

Oh yeh she defiantly blew apart with a massive pop then died. Unplug the air mass and job done she runs again (not greatly but it got me home with calling the rac)lol

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537291
08/05/2015 21:55
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I don't yet as I've only just got the car last weekend but I'm going to temp fit one tomorrow once I've got the ic fitted. I'm guessing it will have about 2bar

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537292
08/05/2015 21:59
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If it's a standard turbo it should not be at 2 bar, that's recipe for disaster! From memory the standard turbo should run 1.0 bar at full boost, it may spike higher than that, but should be stable at 1 bar. There's a chance your boost is fluctuating which is the EBV not working as it should. The simple solution is replace it with a manual boost controller, or electronic boost controller, or if you can find one a replacement.

The max that is recommended on a standard turbo is a stable 1.2 bar with a GTEC 1, or possibly a touch more with a live map e.g. FC Performance.

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537312
08/05/2015 23:36
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Everything about the car is standard. The turbo looks quite new but I don't think it's a non standard one. I have loads of history with the car and nothing says about a new turbo. I'll have to see what it's boosts at tomorrow with the new ic.

Ebv? Electronic boost valve?

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537313
08/05/2015 23:39
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Yes about the ebv .

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537319
08/05/2015 23:53
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Where is it located and can a manual boost valve replace it?

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537324
09/05/2015 00:31
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It's in front of the battery and yes a mbv can be installed but you need a boost gauge to set it up so that you can see what boost it's set too .

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537343
09/05/2015 08:20
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You should eliminate the waste gate actuator first - find the EBV, remove the two pipes from the bottom of it (noting which one went where -they have to be fitted to the correct ports)

Now connect the two pipes together - this will give you 'base boost' - should be around 0.6 bar

If you still get strong boost, your waste gate is at fault (probably the actuator diaphragm split, but could be that the actuator hoses aren't plumbed in correctly, and the actuator Isn't 'seeing' any boost, so it never opens)

Needs to be fixed, or you'll melt a piston


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Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537347
09/05/2015 09:03
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I've got a boost gauge to see what pressure it's running. I'll have a play once I've fitted the ic and see what I can find

Thanks for all your help I'll keep you updated

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537349
09/05/2015 09:13
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Reading this thread I am not sure that you have "got" the noise hierarchy:

Std box
Std box with K&N filter
Drilled airbox
K&N cone filter
K&N Cone filer + SIP

If you want induction roar noise go for the K&N Cone filter and don't faff around with airboxes.


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Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537362
09/05/2015 11:25
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Some years ago I came across a double mushroom induction pipe I had in my shed from the days I used dabble about on other cars rolleyes I wondered for the hell of it how it would sound on the Coop. Those days were really long gone for me but the noise was pretty spectacular. In the end I took it off as it played havoc with the maf, & readings on the widget confirmed this.


I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time
Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537399
09/05/2015 18:48
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I've fitted the drilled box and new ic and she goes how she should. When I picked up the ic from mario he pointed out the ebv and noticed the pipe was off so I put it back on when I fitted the ic and she's all good :-)

This weeks job is to fit a boost gauge and a mbv to week the boost up very slightly

With the drilled box I get lovely induction noise which is what I was after. When I get tuning it properly I might go for a cone filter but for know I'm happy with the drilled box and k&n

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537407
09/05/2015 19:57
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Where abouts are you Shaggydub?


Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537419
09/05/2015 21:03
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I live in high Wycombe.

I'm guessing as I haven't seen your car around your not lol

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537423
09/05/2015 21:19
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Get a gtec 1 chip from GrahamL on the forum and that will up the boost to 1.2bar .

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537431
09/05/2015 22:28
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Have you got a rough idea on what a gtec 1 chip cost?

Oh and thanks for the ic nismo she works a treat :-)

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537436
09/05/2015 22:57
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OR HERE which is GrahamL

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537452
10/05/2015 09:32
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That's very tempting but it looks hard to fit.
My soldering skills are very poor

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537453
10/05/2015 09:32
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Originally Posted By: Shaggydub
Oh and thanks for the ic nismo she works a treat :-)


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Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537454
10/05/2015 09:32
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Originally Posted By: Shaggydub
That's very tempting but it looks hard to fit.
My soldering skills are very poor


its a push fit chip so no soldering skills needed and only takes 15/20mins to do .

how too - http://www.fcperformance.co.uk/fiat_coupe_bravo_chip_install_guide.pdf

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537457
10/05/2015 10:05
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I may have to invest in one at the end of the month.
What other mods can be done with the gtec 1?

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537494
10/05/2015 16:20
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From memory you can go for a hybrid turbo with a GTEC1, but if you want to go for a larger inter cooler than a GTEC2 is advised. Ask graham directly he wrote the chips and can recommend.

You'll need to get your Coupe on a rolling road to check the fueling afterwards. That is important.

Re: Drilled box or induction kit??? [Re: ] #1537497
10/05/2015 17:04
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I'll wait with the gtec 1 as I will get a fmic on it in the near future

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