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Scottish Independence
#1305010
11/01/2012 10:25
11/01/2012 10:25
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bezzer
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Who'll be the winner in all of this? Latest YouGov opinion poll suggested 37% of Jocks want to leave the Union. What can we do to persuade another 14% of them to vote yes
......My Boy...... (PB #7)
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Re: Scottish Independence
[Re: bezzer]
#1305052
11/01/2012 11:59
11/01/2012 11:59
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Truffle
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Thats why they want the half way house option. Why say yes or no when you can say, "give us less rules to follow whilst we keep taking your money"
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Re: Scottish Independence
[Re: bezzer]
#1305091
11/01/2012 13:02
11/01/2012 13:02
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shinyshoes
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Seems ironic that in between the usual political guff, you get the comment that 'Scotland takes more out of the economy than it puts in...' Right, OK, seems simple enough. Glad the EU brings in much more money than it costs us to be in then. Oh no wait...
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Re: Scottish Independence
[Re: bezzer]
#1305195
11/01/2012 16:16
11/01/2012 16:16
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Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 611 Aberdeenshire,Scotland
Azzura
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Fat Eck wants to call a referendum on Independence in 2014 - not because it will have the resonance of the 700th anniversary of Bannockburn , but because he needs another 2 years to complete the demolition of Scots Law and to erect the shoddy copy of English law his minions deem more appropriate in its place. Why bother with independence at all if all you want to do with it is ape those you wish to secede from?
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Re: Scottish Independence
[Re: bezzer]
#1305235
11/01/2012 17:33
11/01/2012 17:33
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magooagain
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Who's up for rebuilding that bloody great wall ?
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Re: Scottish Independence
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#1305236
11/01/2012 17:35
11/01/2012 17:35
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shinyshoes
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Who's up for rebuilding that bloody great wall ? Can you give a competitive quote Joe?
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Re: Scottish Independence
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#1305237
11/01/2012 17:36
11/01/2012 17:36
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Posts: 3,927 The Faringdon Folly
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Who's up for rebuilding that bloody great wall ? Can you give a competitive quote Joe? The Poles would do it cheaper!
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Re: Scottish Independence
[Re: oxfordSteve]
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11/01/2012 17:40
11/01/2012 17:40
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shinyshoes
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The Poles would do it cheaper!
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Re: Scottish Independence
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11/01/2012 17:46
11/01/2012 17:46
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magooagain
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Who's up for rebuilding that bloody great wall ? Can you give a competitive quote Joe? The Poles would do it cheaper! I would do it for nothing ! Just a free supply of Haggis and Whiskey. See ! Allways two sides to a wall !
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Re: Scottish Independence
[Re: bezzer]
#1305252
11/01/2012 17:51
11/01/2012 17:51
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MrB
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You'll not get any whiskey up here!!
It's all waffle, anybody with any degree of common sense knows it would never work. Just think about all the seemingly daft little stuff that's done nationally just now that would have to be recreated.
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Re: Scottish Independence
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11/01/2012 19:14
11/01/2012 19:14
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Steamer
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Scottish independence would be terrible news for the labour party. No chance of them ever getting a majority unless the conservatives royally screw up. No chance of the Tories screwing the country up then eh?They raped our country for years!! I dont think it would work either,I dont know enough to comment but a one man crusade,is not the right way forward. It doesnt matter who runs the country we are all in for a shafting of John Holmes proportions.
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Re: Scottish Independence
[Re: bezzer]
#1305291
11/01/2012 19:23
11/01/2012 19:23
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Posts: 16,834 Auld Reekie
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Salmond was voted in amongst other things on the strength of a referendum on independence. If he's going to fail massively, better he does that even when held on his own terms rather than be able to push blame onto " he made me do it too soon". For those swinging voters the idea of Westminster telling them when to breathe won't go down well. I say let him carry it out when he wants. Also I want my christmas light bulbs to arrive from Preston in time
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Re: Scottish Independence
[Re: barnacle]
#1305311
11/01/2012 19:55
11/01/2012 19:55
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Posts: 6,144 Southampton, Hants
Roadking
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The big joke was hearing Milliband agreeing so nicely with Cameron. Nothing to do with 41 labour seats that would be lost vs one conservative... Hence Cameron trying to piss off the Scots "floating" voter.
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Scottish Independence
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#1305314
11/01/2012 19:56
11/01/2012 19:56
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Salmond's racism and clamouring to get out of the Union is making Scotland look like the spoilt stepchild. No matter how many toys and sweets we give you, you still want to run away from home.
Honestly, if you hate us that much then fine, have your independence, build that wall back up, but don't come running when you can't afford your free prescriptions, free dental care, free university tuition, free care for the elderly. If you honestly think the, almost dry, North Sea wells will keep you in all that once the money stops flowing from Westminster you're in for an unpleasant shock.
I find it pretty funny that Scotsmen have such a deep rooted hatred of sassenachs when most of us can barely contain our indifference as to whether you're there or not.
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Re: Scottish Independence
[Re: barnacle]
#1305396
11/01/2012 22:30
11/01/2012 22:30
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doug20vt
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alex salmond is the most dangerous thing to happen to scotland in generations, he is an inward looking william wallace wannabe trying to divorce scotland from the union, i would consider selling up and moving to England if Scotland goes completely independent, the last thing i would want is to be completely divorced from the union and under the control of that absolute tube
Brewster please don't confuse Alex Salmonds ambitions with the majority of decent folk in Scotland's opinion of the English, most don't hate English folk, most non neds in Scotland have the savvy to judge an individual on what they are like not where they are from
Last edited by doug20vt; 11/01/2012 22:49.
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Re: Scottish Independence
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#1305401
11/01/2012 22:49
11/01/2012 22:49
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Posts: 2,595 angus, scotland
jimbob13
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Brewster please don't confuse Alex Salmonds ambitions with the majority of decent folk in Scotland's opinion of the English, most don't hate English folk, most non neds in Scotland have the savvy to judge an individual on what they are like not where they are from
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Re: Scottish Independence
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#1305436
11/01/2012 23:50
11/01/2012 23:50
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Steamer
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If Brewster wants to have that opinion let him have it. It sums up the attitude that made Scots want to have their own Parliament in the first place,Total Indifference shown to the Scots by English polititians. Can you really blame us for having a chip(fish supper) on our shoulders? As I said,we are in for a shafting,either by the Tories,Labour,or Snp. So lets just pucker up and take it!!!! Because thats what the British way is eh???
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Re: Scottish Independence
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#1305489
12/01/2012 09:01
12/01/2012 09:01
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Posts: 6,144 Southampton, Hants
Roadking
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It sums up the attitude that made Scots want to have their own Parliament in the first place,Total Indifference shown to the Scots by English polititians. Can you really blame us for having a chip(fish supper) on our shoulders? As I said,we are in for a shafting,either by the Tories,Labour,or Snp. So lets just pucker up and take it!!!! Because thats what the British way is eh??? As we're all in for the same shafting, no need for anyone to feel victimised there. With Blair, Brown and Darling all being Scots, I feel the English may have more to feel aggrieved about Scottish politicians than the other way round! We are a Union and should remain one, we've been a union longer than some European Countries have been countries! There are differances, which most people accept, and a good deal (though by no means all) of the anti English/Scottish sentiment is banter. Mind if you do vote to secede, can you take your Celtic Cornish bretheren with you?
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Scottish Independence
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#1305524
12/01/2012 11:15
12/01/2012 11:15
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Brewster
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If Brewster wants to have that opinion let him have it. It sums up the attitude that made Scots want to have their own Parliament in the first place,Total Indifference shown to the Scots by English polititians. Can you really blame us for having a chip(fish supper) on our shoulders? As I said,we are in for a shafting,either by the Tories,Labour,or Snp. So lets just pucker up and take it!!!! Because thats what the British way is eh??? You think politicians show us any more reverance? You think that being shafted by Scottish politicians will be less painful? As RK has said, we've had Scotsmen at the top of British politics for years and you have far more money spent on you per capita than us sassenachs. We're just tired of the attitude that we're somehow the bad guys and that Scotland has spent the last 300 years trying to escape the clutches of the nasty English. You don't know how good you've got it and you won't until you swap it all for your "Freeeeedoooooooom!"
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Re: Scottish Independence
[Re: bezzer]
#1305529
12/01/2012 11:26
12/01/2012 11:26
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Truffle
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I think both sides have alot to lose from Independence. For the Scots, North Sea Oil will be major bargaining chip regardless of how much or little is under there.
For the UK, we have the £. And going independent but keeping the pound will mean that the Scots have no say in interest rates which could massively affect their economy. Changing to the Euro would again be dangerous given it's present state and create numerous difficulties for the people of Scotland in their everyday lives.
The Scots also owe the "British Taxpayer" for the bailouts of RBS, which amounts to something like 10 years worth of the entire revenue of North Sea Oil.
Obviously everyone has their starting positions in the bargaining but to hear "we want all the oil, none of the debt, and to keep the pound as is" is just unbelievable.
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Re: Scottish Independence
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#1305533
12/01/2012 11:54
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jimboy
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Salmond's racism and clamouring to get out of the Union is making Scotland look like the spoilt stepchild. No matter how many toys and sweets we give you, you still want to run away from home.
Honestly, if you hate us that much then fine, have your independence, build that wall back up, but don't come running when you can't afford your free prescriptions, free dental care, free university tuition, free care for the elderly. If you honestly think the, almost dry, North Sea wells will keep you in all that once the money stops flowing from Westminster you're in for an unpleasant shock.
I find it pretty funny that Scotsmen have such a deep rooted hatred of sassenachs when most of us can barely contain our indifference as to whether you're there or not. OK I'll bite.... That is a very blinkered reaction from a young man. Bottom line, independence for Scotland is not going to happen. Let the politics play out. Salmond as said does not do us any good at all. I could go on to say, being in the Highlands, we don't get the same looking after as the central belt. Similar in England-shire, the south getting more looked after than the north. Nothing will change this, up here anyway. Just to add, I used to travel all over England when I was a member of a young man's charity club. Best social part of my life ever, but as they say that's another story. Right that's my wee rant over.
I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time
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Re: Scottish Independence
[Re: bezzer]
#1305593
12/01/2012 15:47
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ikarl
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I'm very proud to be Scottish, I can go almost anywhere on this planet and be proud to declare to anyone, that I come from Scotland.
On the few occasions that the person does not know where Scotland is, I tell them (just as proudly) that I'm British and Scotland is right next to England.
I will vote 'No' if/when asked..... I fear though that Alex Salmond will have a massive political campaign (Freedom!!! and all that) that will sway a lot of the idiots that cannot make up their mind either way, so they will vote for 'Gibson-Blue-&-White-Face'... utter stupidity in my opinion.
Brewster - No need to assume that because some of Scotland wants 'Independance' that the Scottish hate the English. It's simply not the case.....you may get a few choice words whenever it's a sporting occasion, but no more or no less than anyone else.
Karl
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Re: Scottish Independence
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12/01/2012 17:27
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shinyshoes
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For the UK, we have the £. And going independent but keeping the pound will mean that the Scots have no say in interest rates which could massively affect their economy. Changing to the Euro would again be dangerous given it's present state and create numerous difficulties for the people of Scotland in their everyday lives. Why would Scotland (if it becomes idependant from Britain) need/want to adopt the Euro? If they were smart enough to run a mile from us before we climb aboard the ever sinking ship that is the EU, surely they would not even consider it, and adopt their own unique currency.
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