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replacing the old alarm system
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18/12/2009 22:29
18/12/2009 22:29
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Hemz
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Hemz
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I'm in the process of replacing the old alarm system with a new one. Main reason so I can get engine start to heat up the car before I jump in.
I've read previous forums but couldn't find the info I'm after.
To make things easier I've used the feed off the original alarm for the indicators and door locking/unlocking functions.
I've even got the engine start to work. But I can't find the wire for the door open / close function. The one that tells the alarm that the door is open. Anyone know what colour wire it is and where?
More importantly I can hear the old alarm unit clicking each time I get into the car. How can I stop that?
Last edited by Hemz; 19/12/2009 01:04.
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Re: replacing the old alarm system
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#953909
19/12/2009 18:54
19/12/2009 18:54
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puntoturbo
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puntoturbo
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I'm in the process of replacing the old alarm system with a new one. Main reason so I can get engine start to heat up the car before I jump in.
I've read previous forums but couldn't find the info I'm after.
To make things easier I've used the feed off the original alarm for the indicators and door locking/unlocking functions.
I've even got the engine start to work. But I can't find the wire for the door open / close function. The one that tells the alarm that the door is open. Anyone know what colour wire it is and where?
More importantly I can hear the old alarm unit clicking each time I get into the car. How can I stop that? Pull the door switch out and have a look at the wiring on them. The wiring will probably be accessible if you pull back to the carpet in either the passenger or drivers side foot well.
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Re: replacing the old alarm system
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#954037
19/12/2009 23:49
19/12/2009 23:49
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the_mule
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sounds like a nightmer just waiting to happen
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Re: replacing the old alarm system
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20/12/2009 21:54
20/12/2009 21:54
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Hemz
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I've just pulled out all the wires and tried to look for a positive feed (when door is open) on both door wire looms, but can't find any. Theres no positive feed on any of the wires. I've checked all the fuses and there all ok. is there a relay for this somewhere?
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Re: replacing the old alarm system
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20/12/2009 22:04
20/12/2009 22:04
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TheAudioGuy
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If I remember the switch is in the door lock, you need to look in the loom that goes to the drivers door, use a test light that is + positive supplied and prob for the wire. It will turn negitive when the door is opened, also have you removed the transponda in the key and taped it under the calin near the ignition.
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21/12/2009 00:32
21/12/2009 00:32
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Hemz
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Hemz
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If I remember the switch is in the door lock, you need to look in the loom that goes to the drivers door, use a test light that is + positive supplied and prob for the wire. It will turn negitive when the door is opened, also have you removed the transponda in the key and taped it under the calin near the ignition. I've got the engine start all sorted and it works like a charm. its just the door open/close sensing wire. I've been looking for a positive feed all this time, never checked for a negative feed. i'll give that ago tomorrow.
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#954853
21/12/2009 16:37
21/12/2009 16:37
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TheAudioGuy
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No switch in a car is positive unless it's controled via a relay in some way or another
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Re: replacing the old alarm system
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#958790
31/12/2009 00:02
31/12/2009 00:02
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the_mule
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in a sense very true audio, although I was gonna say bmw [+ a few others ]boot switch etc,tut tut hemz lol you managed to sort an engine start but cant source a door switch wire? You found it yet? Hems as audio is telling you how to test correctly,
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#959120
31/12/2009 15:47
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TheAudioGuy
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you know what i avoid bmw's when it comes to alarms, i watched my work mate do a viper alarm into an old E39 and AGRO isnt the word! i think he was doing it for about 4 hours and hes my guy that i get to do the one i hate doing lol, thing is now because everying new runs on canbus theres not alot involved in fiting alarm nowadays, its mostly plug and play with a bit of setting up on the laptop. i need to book up a training day with directed soon
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31/12/2009 18:42
31/12/2009 18:42
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Hemz
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Hemz
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Havn't manage to do the door light sensor wire, gonna do it this weekend. However before I give it ago, I want to sort out the clicking noise from the old alarm unit box form under the driver dash. Is the unit connected to the immobiliser or is that seperate? If not can I just disconnect the old alrm unit totally ? I havn't tried it yet as I don't have the red key ( which I know is a must), so I don't want to risk messing up the immobiliser.
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#959235
31/12/2009 19:34
31/12/2009 19:34
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TheAudioGuy
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if its the standard fiat or meta one it only sounds and doesnt immobilise, my 20vt 98 had a metta and i just unpluged it, though now im thinking, why didnt you use the wires that went to the alarm brain, all the power, siren, earth, indicators, door switch, bonet switch, boot switch, ect are all there in the alarms loom, all you need to do is probe, tag,join, solder and the job is done much quicker
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#959292
31/12/2009 23:41
31/12/2009 23:41
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the_mule
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you know what i avoid bmw's when it comes to alarms, i watched my work mate do a viper alarm into an old E39 and AGRO isnt the word! i think he was doing it for about 4 hours and hes my guy that i get to do the one i hate doing lol, thing is now because everying new runs on canbus theres not alot involved in fiting alarm nowadays, its mostly plug and play with a bit of setting up on the laptop. i need to book up a training day with directed soon lol hey your not far wrong 4 door version you gotta use blocking diodes on all 4 door switch wires to stop back feeds etc and a change over relay for the boot lol , hey what about old jags? positive ground lol vintage mercs sealed dash no imob cut offs, I still think the mr2 was the pisser loom behind back seat extending Sonics and led doors etc lol
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Re: replacing the old alarm system
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#959297
01/01/2010 00:06
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Hemz
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Hemz
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if its the standard fiat or meta one it only sounds and doesnt immobilise, my 20vt 98 had a metta and i just unpluged it, though now im thinking, why didnt you use the wires that went to the alarm brain, all the power, siren, earth, indicators, door switch, bonet switch, boot switch, ect are all there in the alarms loom, all you need to do is probe, tag,join, solder and the job is done much quicker Thats exactly the wires i've used (off the original alarm unit), but oviously i coudn't find the door wires from there as i was looking for positive feed. But theres still a socket connected to the alarm unit which i didn't diconnect as i wasn't too sure what it was for. But if your sure its not related to the immobiliser i'm going to try and disconnect it and see what happens.
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#959349
01/01/2010 09:40
01/01/2010 09:40
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TheAudioGuy
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Ok so that socket must be the power supply for the alarm.
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#959468
01/01/2010 18:49
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the_mule
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sorry for chipping in again dudes,[Sounds like a recipe for kaboooom ] but rule no 1 as an alarm fitter is or at least used to be!! make your own connections never use existing alarm wires as dodgy connections, dry joints, or faults, broken circuits, even shorts, will be transferred to the new items, You found the door switch wire yet??Hey come on you two this isn’t even funny! hems [no disrespect]sounds like you don’t know haw to test a circuit so Just go to the interior light for the switch wire and follow the wire down the a pillar etc lol lol
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#959782
02/01/2010 17:02
02/01/2010 17:02
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Hemz
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Hemz
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sorry for chipping in again dudes,[Sounds like a recipe for kaboooom ] but rule no 1 as an alarm fitter is or at least used to be!! make your own connections never use existing alarm wires as dodgy connections, dry joints, or faults, broken circuits, even shorts, will be transferred to the new items, You found the door switch wire yet??Hey come on you two this isn’t even funny! hems [no disrespect]sounds like you don’t know haw to test a circuit so Just go to the interior light for the switch wire and follow the wire down the a pillar etc lol lol Thats the first thing i tried, but my interior light isn't working, and i iv'e checked all the fuses, and still can't get it to work, so i gave up on that route and am trying to to get the feed directly off the door wiring loom.
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03/01/2010 03:09
03/01/2010 03:09
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the_mule
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sorry for chipping in again dudes,[Sounds like a recipe for kaboooom ] but rule no 1 as an alarm fitter is or at least used to be!! make your own connections never use existing alarm wires as dodgy connections, dry joints, or faults, broken circuits, even shorts, will be transferred to the new items, You found the door switch wire yet??Hey come on you two this isn’t even funny! hems [no disrespect]sounds like you don’t know haw to test a circuit so Just go to the interior light for the switch wire and follow the wire down the a pillar etc lol lol Thats the first thing i tried, but my interior light isn't working, and i iv'e checked all the fuses, and still can't get it to work, so i gave up on that route and am trying to to get the feed directly off the door wiring loom. How did you test as that was the first thing you tried? And what did you find? As it shouldn’t matter weather the light is working or not there should still be a switch wire? Unless you have blown various circuits although there should still be a switch wire as it’s an earth? What tools are you using to test etc?and what do you find?
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Re: replacing the old alarm system
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#1026851
26/04/2010 21:35
26/04/2010 21:35
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TheAudioGuy
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god people this isnt hard, its like the MOST basic thing to find, if you pull out the old alarm, chuck it in the bin, probably the plugs you will find it in 30 seconds, its a negitive triger, the test light needs to be positive so attach to a +wire, then probably the old alarms plugs for the wire, remember you need to be opening and closing the doors to find the right one
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#1026853
26/04/2010 21:36
26/04/2010 21:36
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TheAudioGuy
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if the drivers door dont work, use the passengers door
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