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Re: Understeer on the limit
[Re: Per]
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13/11/2009 20:15
13/11/2009 20:15
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MrT
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MrT
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Thanks for this everyone, very helpfull indeed. Next question is, do I keep it how it is or make it into an all out track car?
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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15/11/2009 14:42
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dave_t
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Great video. It looks like you had a good day. You certainly weren't hanging around
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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15/11/2009 16:22
15/11/2009 16:22
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anthrax
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anthrax
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^ and at 2.20 nice flame
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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17/11/2009 00:29
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Per
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I need some sleep
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Re: Understeer on the limit
[Re: Per]
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17/11/2009 22:50
17/11/2009 22:50
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MrT
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Cheers guys, I must admit I liked the flame bit myself I'm looking forward to getting back on the track with new brakes and those suspension mods you recommended and see how much difference it makes.
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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19/11/2009 11:29
19/11/2009 11:29
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I have recently fitted eibach anti roll bars front and rear, team dynamics pro race 1.2 alloys 18". This complements bilstein dampers with eibach springs which I had already and the car is now amazing. I can go into corners and the car feels completely planted with no hint of understeer, I can carry more speed into the corners confidently and power out with geater dynamic stability. I think the anti roll bars are one of the best mods to get. Still have some camber bolts which need to be fitted and waiting on delivery of my lower front strut brace. It's coming along nicely.
Nice video by the way, I was thinking while watching it how beautiful the coupe looks. Also it looks a fair bit faster than the M3.
Last edited by stevo; 19/11/2009 11:31.
362bhp of warble
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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19/11/2009 21:11
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dave_t
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Yes ... that's a great photo And, coincidentally, very similar to my sig photo
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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19/11/2009 23:18
19/11/2009 23:18
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MrT
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That's true, although yours seems to be cornering a lot flatter than mine, back to those anti-roll bars again
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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20/11/2009 17:09
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suba
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having the car flat through the corners is good in theory, but you do want some roll in a coupe to load up the outside front and scrub off the understeer.
If you look at clio 182's / trophies they handle very well and are on three wheels most of the time as the inside rear lifts loading up the outside front....
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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20/11/2009 18:03
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suba
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Lucky you - it's the other way round for most!
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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21/11/2009 19:16
21/11/2009 19:16
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I'd suggest wider track at front will make a big difference. Sure it will put some strain on the bearings etc. but they will have some capacity in-built.
I have 40mm at front with 7 x 17's and the car grips like anything. I keep up with very fast rwd cars out of the corners.
I'll have to make a track day with some of you 20VT guys and see how it compares.
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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22/11/2009 10:28
22/11/2009 10:28
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MrT
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Glad you agree with me addict, that's how I stsrted the thread by saying I wanted to widen the track, but I intended moving the whole hub out rather than use spacers with would keep the steering geometry correct and wouldn't put any additional load on the bearings. The raeson for running as wider track as possible is that it reduces the lateral load transfer which judging by the state of my N/S/F tyre is fairly high!! It's also true what Dave-t, Suba and Per etc say which is by carrying out the mods they have done on their cars I will have a pretty sorted car which will be more than a match for my limited driving ability and at the end of the day for me it's all about having fun It would be good to get a few Coupe's out for a day at Brands though!!
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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25/11/2009 12:12
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suba
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I'll certainly be up for a day at brands, though wont be in a coupe now......
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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25/11/2009 14:38
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sparco
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Good video and the car doesn't look too bad. I really liked Brands and this year was the first for me in a car. Here's a little video for a different perspective from a slightly more modded coupe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaCoxoS3gDkThe noise is the back unloaded rear locking up.
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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25/11/2009 15:53
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sparco
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They are road legal and i was pushing a little hard. Suba was there on the day so he can vouch for me not holding back.
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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25/11/2009 16:07
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Jimbo if you watch the final round at Snetterton you can here the difference in gearing with the new gearbox. Still locking the rears up which you can see and hear. Sorry for hijacking this thread but i suppose it's still on a handling theme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-FFS3SiYLI
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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25/11/2009 16:33
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suba
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Yep - you could definately tell when you were on a 'hot' lap.....
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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25/11/2009 23:35
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MrT
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Excellent video and nice driving , I'd be interested in seeing the spec on the car. Sounds like we could get a few together at Brands in the new year.
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Re: Understeer on the limit
[Re: Per]
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26/11/2009 08:33
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sparco
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I spent over 2k fiting a proper race pedal box which gives me complete control over the brakes so basically we haven't finished palying with it. By the final at Snetterton we had dialled out the rear locking up completely. I think we may have mixed up the front and rear master cylinders as they have different internal sizes which meant we were naturally getting more bias to the rear than we thought. It has got the comp brake kit on the rear too along with new seceret Pagid rear race pads.
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Re: Understeer on the limit
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02/12/2009 22:05
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Per
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Talking of my oversteer, you can actually see it in this pic of mine. No big problem really, I like it. As said, only problem can be a bit poisonus lift-off oversteer. So an uprated front ARB would be nice.
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