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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 01:40
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Sedicivalvole, reading that story made my blood absolutely boil. I dont think I would have had your patience if I saw that happening, I would have been straight on the phone to get a man with a weapon to back me up, and i would have kicked the living shit out of the girls.
It really has wound me up so much, I really feel for you.
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 03:13
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 16:52
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Do you people really have the immdeiate impulse to go and beat someone up because they hit your car? Yes the fact they are denying it is very annoying and it would wind me up too, but the thought of violence still wouldn't even enter my mind. Its a car for goodness sake. A lot of people on here either need anger management or need to learn to grow up and stop trying to 'show off'.
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 16:57
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You wouldn't get angry when you see a group of people kicking your car? You'd ask them politely to go away? The thought of violence would certainly enter my mind in such a situation and I'm definatly not a violent person at all!
If someone hits your car by accident then obviously there is not need to get violent (as long as they admit their fault).
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 17:20
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And you would have been - correctly - charged. We live in a civilised society. A major purpose of that society is to transfer revenge to the state from the individual. If you try and take that revenge personally, you are acting unlawfully. You *can* however, make a citizen's arrest in such a circumstance - basically, if an arrestable offence is being committed. There's a good discussion here: http://www.kevinboone.com/citizens_arrest.htmlRegarding the 'they get a warning, I get charged' question - why not? If they attacked *you* then you would have been the first to demand charging - damage to the person is a more serious crime than damage to property. And to finish with the usual blather - the place to change this is in Parliament. Get out there and vote. If you feel strongly enough, put your money down and see how many agree with you at the next local or governmental elections. I'm 100 percent convinced that the majority of posters on this forum would neither advocate or perpetrate violence on a person *in real life* simply for property damage; if there are then might I suggest anger management courses? Neil
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 17:28
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I don't suppose for one minute that the majority of us on here are violent or advocate violence; however, can any of you honestly hand-on-heart say that if you returned to your car and found someone kicking dents in it, and they carried on kicking it in front of you, that you'd simply say "Sorry, old chap, but would you mind awfully not putting any more dents into my car with your Reeboks, if that's OK with you"?
I think not. As a minimum you'd grab them and drag them away from your car, which AFAIK in law would be common assault.
If you think you could just stand there and watch them carrying on trashing your car, and take no action, I think you're deluding yourselves.
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 17:29
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Do you people really have the immdeiate impulse to go and beat someone up because they hit your car? Yes the fact they are denying it is very annoying and it would wind me up too, but the thought of violence still wouldn't even enter my mind. Its a car for goodness sake. A lot of people on here either need anger management or need to learn to grow up and stop trying to 'show off'.
Nothing to do with "showing off" or "growing up".
I think it's the total "Don't give a fcuk" attitude and total lack of respect for other people that these people/scum show, because they know they can't be touched, that causes the anger and desire to throttle.
Maybe if these people/scum knew there was some form of legal retribution in the offing, they might show more regard for other people and their possessions. Not, by the way, intended as another start of a law vs vigilante debate, just to explain why I get so angry and feel like resorting to physical violence. To date I haven't but probably only because the anger hasn't exceeded my self control. I hope one day it doesn't as we all know who the law will cane. Plus I'd rather not be stabbed by some wanker who needs conselling or an adventure holiday at my expense.
Just maybe one day someone will show the same respect for their cars, if they have one
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 17:37
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i thought that, by law, you were now entilted to use "reasonable" force to defend your property? surely if someone is kicking lumps out of your car/house/dog you have the right to physically prevent them doing it? i'm not of a violent nature but i will protect my property and possessions to the point where they desist or i lie in a bloody heap on the floor....
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 20:54
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Glad someone can construe my feelings on this subject well Roadking.
I remember being stood outside the front door of my ex's house shouting "what do you think your doing" at some 8 year old kid who was stealing any bits he could get his hands on from my old car including ripping the fuel filler cap off. Naturally since i shouted this his mother came out and threatened to get me beaten up for what I had done, Phoned the police "yeah this usually happens, there isnt much we can do" So essentially i had to just be looking out the window 24/7 to make sure my pride and joy didnt get broken into and/or vandalised, but there was nothing i could do about it and they knew that. Hence why i think next time theres some sort of parlimentary vote ill swing towards voting for the party who support the victim not the criminal.
As for doing something about it yourself i.e giving them a shoe-ing its pretty illegal and doesnt make you much better than them. Resonable force can only be used in protection of life, not property. Thats what the police are there for...
Sorry for the hi-jack btw just really annoys me!!!
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 20:57
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Its difficult to desbribe TV i am not a violent person i get angry as do many but violent is not a word i think describes me.
Without going into the whole situation basically me and a friend were assaulted and my car damaged by a bunch of young girls.
The Police did not pursue the assault despite my friend having numerous marks on him (girl was wearing a ring) So as was said there is no punishment which is what makes me angry.
The Police would not do anything the girls knew we would not attack them back and they knew nothing would come of being arrested. I myself did stop one of the girls and pushed her back, what did i get at the station, the officer asid as we bought her in she was saying you assaulted her and touched her innaprporiately!
She dropped this before interview as they leaned on her saying there was CCTV evidence etc, but thats basically it you get involved and the waters can be muddied by the other party.
Nothing was going to happen to those girls the sad thing is they can just do it again its not important enough for the Police to care and people wonder why we have a Yob society.
If i knew the outcome of hours and hours of my time would i of bothered probably not, had it been in a non public CCTV place would i responded i think so
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 21:16
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same thing happened to me someone reversed into me and drove off and to put the icing on the cake someone put some jap tribal graphics(keyed) down the whole length of my car,got a idea who done it but police said its my word against theirs so just paided to get it fixed myself,less hassle in the long run.
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 21:43
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sometimes i think its the girl chavs that are the worst cause they know you cant do anything back they think they can do what they want.
not that im condoning violence, but once a few years back some girl chav was scratching her name in a friends fiesta xr2i, he went over to her and she attacked him scratching at his eyes with a ring screaming come on then im gonna put you in hospital. well she did and he had to wear an eye patch for a few weeks but in the process he hit out at her, she fell and broke her nose on the floor. guess she wont do that again.
Road king hit it on the head. its just the total lack of respect for anything by these scum who know that even if the police act, the courts will just slap their wrist and make a tut tut noise.
the legal system in this country is a joke.
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 23:42
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And you would have been - correctly - charged.
We live in a civilised society. A major purpose of that society is to transfer revenge to the state from the individual.
If you try and take that revenge personally, you are acting unlawfully.
You *can* however, make a citizen's arrest in such a circumstance - basically, if an arrestable offence is being committed. There's a good discussion here: http://www.kevinboone.com/citizens_arrest.html
Regarding the 'they get a warning, I get charged' question - why not? If they attacked *you* then you would have been the first to demand charging - damage to the person is a more serious crime than damage to property.
And to finish with the usual blather - the place to change this is in Parliament. Get out there and vote. If you feel strongly enough, put your money down and see how many agree with you at the next local or governmental elections.
I'm 100 percent convinced that the majority of posters on this forum would neither advocate or perpetrate violence on a person *in real life* simply for property damage; if there are then might I suggest anger management courses?
Neil
Atleast someone agrees with me.
Also when it comes to seeing someone doing damage, would it make me be violent, well simply, no.
When on holiday visiting my grandparents we all went out but saw some kids (well 16-18 yr olds) hanging around outside their house. We drove round the block and back and found them smashing garden furniture for no reason. Did we go and attack them, no, because i'm not a thug. Me and my Dad ran after them and caught 1 of them. Did we beat him up, not in the slightest, we marched him down to the police station.
Call me what you like, but attacking someone, even some of the low life chavs that saddly live in this country, is just plain stupid. People need to learn to control their anger and agression.
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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07/12/2006 23:53
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a few slaps never hurt anyone
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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08/12/2006 13:48
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and it's always good to know the police are above giving people a slap, as custodians of the law.....
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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08/12/2006 16:07
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And you would have been - correctly - charged.
We live in a civilised society. A major purpose of that society is to transfer revenge to the state from the individual.
If you try and take that revenge personally, you are acting unlawfully.
You *can* however, make a citizen's arrest in such a circumstance - basically, if an arrestable offence is being committed. There's a good discussion here: http://www.kevinboone.com/citizens_arrest.html
Regarding the 'they get a warning, I get charged' question - why not? If they attacked *you* then you would have been the first to demand charging - damage to the person is a more serious crime than damage to property.
And to finish with the usual blather - the place to change this is in Parliament. Get out there and vote. If you feel strongly enough, put your money down and see how many agree with you at the next local or governmental elections.
I'm 100 percent convinced that the majority of posters on this forum would neither advocate or perpetrate violence on a person *in real life* simply for property damage; if there are then might I suggest anger management courses?
Neil
Atleast someone agrees with me.
Also when it comes to seeing someone doing damage, would it make me be violent, well simply, no.
When on holiday visiting my grandparents we all went out but saw some kids (well 16-18 yr olds) hanging around outside their house. We drove round the block and back and found them smashing garden furniture for no reason. Did we go and attack them, no, because i'm not a thug. Me and my Dad ran after them and caught 1 of them. Did we beat him up, not in the slightest, we marched him down to the police station.
Call me what you like, but attacking someone, even some of the low life chavs that saddly live in this country, is just plain stupid. People need to learn to control their anger and agression.
TV, I think we all know what you are saying about being violent but do you honestly think you would be marching these "young ladies" down to the police station... not reality is it?
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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08/12/2006 16:27
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Lol, i see where both of you are coming from, violence is not the way forward but to get one of these angry lowlifes down to the rozzers is not happening. If you grabbed them by the collar and dragged them down you'd be done for assault and i have a feeling no end of persuasion is going to get them to go down. Hence why police should be there quick and why they should be able to dish out some sort of law based punishment....
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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08/12/2006 16:57
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And you would have been - correctly - charged.
We live in a civilised society. A major purpose of that society is to transfer revenge to the state from the individual.
If you try and take that revenge personally, you are acting unlawfully.
You *can* however, make a citizen's arrest in such a circumstance - basically, if an arrestable offence is being committed. There's a good discussion here: http://www.kevinboone.com/citizens_arrest.html
Regarding the 'they get a warning, I get charged' question - why not? If they attacked *you* then you would have been the first to demand charging - damage to the person is a more serious crime than damage to property.
And to finish with the usual blather - the place to change this is in Parliament. Get out there and vote. If you feel strongly enough, put your money down and see how many agree with you at the next local or governmental elections.
I'm 100 percent convinced that the majority of posters on this forum would neither advocate or perpetrate violence on a person *in real life* simply for property damage; if there are then might I suggest anger management courses?
Neil
Atleast someone agrees with me.
Also when it comes to seeing someone doing damage, would it make me be violent, well simply, no.
When on holiday visiting my grandparents we all went out but saw some kids (well 16-18 yr olds) hanging around outside their house. We drove round the block and back and found them smashing garden furniture for no reason. Did we go and attack them, no, because i'm not a thug. Me and my Dad ran after them and caught 1 of them. Did we beat him up, not in the slightest, we marched him down to the police station.
Call me what you like, but attacking someone, even some of the low life chavs that saddly live in this country, is just plain stupid. People need to learn to control their anger and agression.
TV, I think we all know what you are saying about being violent but do you honestly think you would be marching these "young ladies" down to the police station... not reality is it?
In this case no, but I still wouldn't attack them, it really is that simple for me. Yes i'd be fuming and really want them to be punishes, and yes I'd get seriously pissed off if/when they only got a slap on the wrist, but i still wouldn't take it into my own hands to punish them.
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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08/12/2006 17:20
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The point is that "Violence doesn't solve anything" surely? Other than making you feel better for a few minutes that you've "taught them a lesson they won't forget in a hurry" what have you actually acheived? I guarantee they won't have learned a lesson, and confronted with violence, its only likely to make them more violent - thus bringing yet more trouble to yourself/your area.
If you feel violence is the answer, then in the eyes of the law you are no better than the perpertrator - which gets us nowhere surely?. Unfair as it is, those who believe in the law need to uphold it, despite it all - and if it isn't seen to be working then lobby/challenge your MP etc and try to make a positive change.
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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08/12/2006 17:21
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Protestor: 'In what kind of situation could violence possibly be of any use?'
Ali G: 'In a violent one'
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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08/12/2006 18:15
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TV i think you are clearly missing the point mate, while i agree with your statement its not relevant here as i was being assaulted as well as my property and friend.
If you are being physically assaulted then (whether male/female/juvenile) then i totally condone that you defend yourself, and if that means having to hit them then i do agree.
It is just the amount of times (not just on this post) people post things like this it realy annoys me.
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Sedicivalvole, reading that story made my blood absolutely boil. I dont think I would have had your patience if I saw that happening, I would have been straight on the phone to get a man with a weapon to back me up, and i would have kicked the living shit out of the girls.
That kind of thing is pathetic. Would people genuinly premedatate (sp?) an attack like that. In 95% if posts like this you know perfectly well they wouldn't actually go and do this, so why post it? It is puerly trying to sound like a big man and actually makes people sound like coplete idiots. If they really do mean it though then they should go and see a pyschiatrist and get their anger problems sorted.
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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08/12/2006 18:36
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No lockdown needed. As far as i can tell its beeen a fair debate and nobody has got personal and i'm confident it will stay that way.
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Re: Neighbour denying coupe dent!
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08/12/2006 18:55
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And you would have been - correctly - charged.
Is this right though? they can attack me but if hit back i would be charged while they are free no actions on em?
Possibly I misunderstood your original post; I thought that the girls were attacking the car, not you. In a personal attack you may use proportionate force in self defence; in either case you may make a citizen's arrest since both property damage and assault are arrestable offences.
The point is, you (and I) are constrained by the law; the lawbreaker obviously is not. But if you overstep the limits then you also become a lawbreaker.
Believe me, I can see your point and sympathise with it; but them's the rules
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