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I think to be honest, you're best bet is getting the two cars together and see if the dent matches up in terms of height, shape and position. Its should be pretty obvious and undeniable with the two cars lined up.

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She has left the scene of an accident so ther police can get involved.

You need to contact a lawyer. You have two witnesses that saw her hit your car. Get it repaired, see a lawyer, and start a small claims procedings against her.

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I thought leaving the scene was a only a problem if someone was injured or fluid was spilled on the highway. I may be completely wrong

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Shocking to have to live next door to such a scumbag,but as has already been said here, you will have to face them every day as neighbours so try and kep things civil.

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I thought leaving the scene was a only a problem if someone was injured or fluid was spilled on the highway. I may be completely wrong

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You are............

Leaving the scene when injury, or damage or certain animals* are involved is a criminal offence, more commonly known as "hit and run". Viewed very seriously by the courts these days too.
There's a second charge which can be brought which is "Failing to report" and this has a 24 hour time limit.
Thirdly, striking a stationery vehicle will fall under "careless or reckless driving".

So, three charges straight off the top of my head before we even start on perverting the course of justice etc etc etc.

*Certain animals, for anyone who ever gets involved and isn't sure whether to just leave the scene or try and trace the owner or report to police: Dogs, Goats, Cattle, Horses, Ass, Mules, Pigs, Sheep. Most other animals are not recognised in the Road Traffic Act.

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My Wife, ex cop, says, if its on a public road, any kind of accident needs reporting to the police straight away if the owner of the car isnt there and insurance details arent exchanged.

For a private car park (supermarket) there is the criminal damage law to protect the injured party.

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I think to be honest, you're best bet is getting the two cars together and see if the dent matches up in terms of height, shape and position. Its should be pretty obvious and undeniable with the two cars lined up.

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Otherwise its a matter of "sort it out yourselves

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so, if you hit a cat you can carry on but hit a dog you need to report it to the police?
i'll have to remember that.
are birds ok to hit ? (i mean hitting the feathered variety with the coupé, not wife beating!)

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Yes, yes, yes, but no to the hitting of the wife

Hit a cat by all means and carry on driving. Hit a bird and as long as it isn't a stupid big pheasant like the one that crashed through my windscreen once then you can carry on driving. Hit a dog and you must report it, within 24 hours, to a police station (dunno why I keep writing police station, it's not like the railway staff would be interested......

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so, if you hit a cat you can carry on but hit a dog you need to report it to the police?
i'll have to remember that.
are birds ok to hit ? (i mean hitting the feathered variety with the coupé, not wife beating!)

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Yes, yes, yes, but no to the hitting of the wife

Hit a cat by all means and carry on driving. Hit a bird and as long as it isn't a stupid big pheasant like the one that crashed through my windscreen once then you can carry on driving. Hit a dog and you must report it, within 24 hours, to a police station (dunno why I keep writing police station, it's not like the railway staff would be interested......

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If you hit a pheasant, you cannot stop and pick it up. The person behind you can though

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As pointed public and private roads are very very different.

Police are incompetant and are not even aware of ths in most cases, double check do your research on requiremtents if your car was not on a public road you would be extremely suprised to what people can get away with legally.

I mean example had over 1.5k of damage to my car at the weekend by drunk teenage girls caught arrested and yep cautioned.

Well FCCUK you government not even a charge on cctv witnesses the lot.

Removes any faith in the system (oh sorry real tangent)

I really hope you come to a good arrangement with your neighbours but do not roll over make sure they pay to repair it.

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give you a good one found a dent on my boot one time couldnt figure it out,then i found my next door neighbours golf ball on the driveway.confronted him in the pub and he tells me the kids where messing about sorry .a couple of months later im in having a shower and hear these bangs on the roof so i take a butchers out the window and low and behold there is my neighbour throwing stones at his fccuking lazy pigeons on my roof a couple of clicks later on my phone i have a picture of this.now i have a dent on my cars roof ????? (some time later than any of the other trangressions i have to say) but i cant help feeling (maybe ill go pigeon shooting at the weekend )

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Well Sedici.
I'm pretty lucky compared to your situation.
Hope it all works out for you.
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Well i would not particularly say that mate, you have done nothing either but your party are denying it and live next door!

Sorry to hijack back on topic you still meeting tomorrow?

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She also admitted to having the stero in the car

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Can't believe that "if she says she didn't hit you ,he believes her " surely the evidence is overwhelming at this stage. Have they even apologised?

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Sedicivalvole, reading that story made my blood absolutely boil. I dont think I would have had your patience if I saw that happening, I would have been straight on the phone to get a man with a weapon to back me up, and i would have kicked the living shit out of the girls.

It really has wound me up so much, I really feel for you.

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Oh your not alone i had to do my best not to hospitalise them, tbh i am suprised i didn't even now nearly two weeks after.

I think it was the knowledge and misplaced faith that they were on CCTV and would get done, when in fact they get off. but i know had I laid them all out I would of been charged as the copper confirmed to me.

Fun that they get caution first offence i would get charged first offence as they "take a dim view of assault on females"

It is so pathetic it almost makes you laugh, only plus was i was not in my coupe as i think that may of swung it in favour of violence which after the moment you are sure to regret but then again

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Do you people really have the immdeiate impulse to go and beat someone up because they hit your car? Yes the fact they are denying it is very annoying and it would wind me up too, but the thought of violence still wouldn't even enter my mind. Its a car for goodness sake. A lot of people on here either need anger management or need to learn to grow up and stop trying to 'show off'.

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Nothing to do with "showing off" or "growing up".

I think it's the total "Don't give a fcuk" attitude and total lack of respect for other people that these people/scum show, because they know they can't be touched, that causes the anger and desire to throttle.

Maybe if these people/scum knew there was some form of legal retribution in the offing, they might show more regard for other people and their possessions. Not, by the way, intended as another start of a law vs vigilante debate, just to explain why I get so angry and feel like resorting to physical violence. To date I haven't but probably only because the anger hasn't exceeded my self control. I hope one day it doesn't as we all know who the law will cane. Plus I'd rather not be stabbed by some wanker who needs conselling or an adventure holiday at my expense.

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And you would have been - correctly - charged.

We live in a civilised society. A major purpose of that society is to transfer revenge to the state from the individual.

If you try and take that revenge personally, you are acting unlawfully.

You *can* however, make a citizen's arrest in such a circumstance - basically, if an arrestable offence is being committed. There's a good discussion here: http://www.kevinboone.com/citizens_arrest.html

Regarding the 'they get a warning, I get charged' question - why not? If they attacked *you* then you would have been the first to demand charging - damage to the person is a more serious crime than damage to property.

And to finish with the usual blather - the place to change this is in Parliament. Get out there and vote. If you feel strongly enough, put your money down and see how many agree with you at the next local or governmental elections.

I'm 100 percent convinced that the majority of posters on this forum would neither advocate or perpetrate violence on a person *in real life* simply for property damage; if there are then might I suggest anger management courses?

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And you would have been - correctly - charged.

We live in a civilised society. A major purpose of that society is to transfer revenge to the state from the individual.

If you try and take that revenge personally, you are acting unlawfully.

You *can* however, make a citizen's arrest in such a circumstance - basically, if an arrestable offence is being committed. There's a good discussion here: http://www.kevinboone.com/citizens_arrest.html

Regarding the 'they get a warning, I get charged' question - why not? If they attacked *you* then you would have been the first to demand charging - damage to the person is a more serious crime than damage to property.

And to finish with the usual blather - the place to change this is in Parliament. Get out there and vote. If you feel strongly enough, put your money down and see how many agree with you at the next local or governmental elections.

I'm 100 percent convinced that the majority of posters on this forum would neither advocate or perpetrate violence on a person *in real life* simply for property damage; if there are then might I suggest anger management courses?

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Atleast someone agrees with me.

Also when it comes to seeing someone doing damage, would it make me be violent, well simply, no.

When on holiday visiting my grandparents we all went out but saw some kids (well 16-18 yr olds) hanging around outside their house. We drove round the block and back and found them smashing garden furniture for no reason. Did we go and attack them, no, because i'm not a thug. Me and my Dad ran after them and caught 1 of them. Did we beat him up, not in the slightest, we marched him down to the police station.

Call me what you like, but attacking someone, even some of the low life chavs that saddly live in this country, is just plain stupid. People need to learn to control their anger and agression.

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And you would have been - correctly - charged.

We live in a civilised society. A major purpose of that society is to transfer revenge to the state from the individual.

If you try and take that revenge personally, you are acting unlawfully.

You *can* however, make a citizen's arrest in such a circumstance - basically, if an arrestable offence is being committed. There's a good discussion here: http://www.kevinboone.com/citizens_arrest.html

Regarding the 'they get a warning, I get charged' question - why not? If they attacked *you* then you would have been the first to demand charging - damage to the person is a more serious crime than damage to property.

And to finish with the usual blather - the place to change this is in Parliament. Get out there and vote. If you feel strongly enough, put your money down and see how many agree with you at the next local or governmental elections.

I'm 100 percent convinced that the majority of posters on this forum would neither advocate or perpetrate violence on a person *in real life* simply for property damage; if there are then might I suggest anger management courses?

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Atleast someone agrees with me.

Also when it comes to seeing someone doing damage, would it make me be violent, well simply, no.

When on holiday visiting my grandparents we all went out but saw some kids (well 16-18 yr olds) hanging around outside their house. We drove round the block and back and found them smashing garden furniture for no reason. Did we go and attack them, no, because i'm not a thug. Me and my Dad ran after them and caught 1 of them. Did we beat him up, not in the slightest, we marched him down to the police station.

Call me what you like, but attacking someone, even some of the low life chavs that saddly live in this country, is just plain stupid. People need to learn to control their anger and agression.

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TV, I think we all know what you are saying about being violent but do you honestly think you would be marching these "young ladies" down to the police station... not reality is it?

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They think they can do what they want, it has always been a flat policy of mine do not hit a woman. But no i see how old and disfunctional that is (even i am shocked at what and how i think now but unless you have been there you cannot judge). This is not the 50's anymore woman do not behave like the female stereotype they are capable of behaving just as bad as men and in most cases with alcohol i think worse.

I am altering my theory on this, if i am attacked by a woman again of course you will try and stop it but if it continues as it did in this incidence i think i will hit back. I am not being attacked and having to stand there and take it cause the person is not male, if a male attacks you, you fight back.

The same i will be doing in future to women, though i will try and contain it more than say with a male if as in this situation its not possible then the outcome will be different.

TV i think you are clearly missing the point mate, while i agree with your statement its not relevant here as i was being assaulted as well as my property and friend.

Its a sad state of affairs really people should be punished for this cause i sure know if the genders were reversed the attackers would be charged with assault and criminal damage on a motor vehicle.

Equal rights is banged on about alot but only when it suits people.

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TV i think you are clearly missing the point mate, while i agree with your statement its not relevant here as i was being assaulted as well as my property and friend.

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Sedicivalvole, reading that story made my blood absolutely boil. I dont think I would have had your patience if I saw that happening, I would have been straight on the phone to get a man with a weapon to back me up, and i would have kicked the living shit out of the girls.

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Is this right though? they can attack me but if hit back i would be charged while they are free no actions on em?

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Possibly I misunderstood your original post; I thought that the girls were attacking the car, not you. In a personal attack you may use proportionate force in self defence; in either case you may make a citizen's arrest since both property damage and assault are arrestable offences.

The point is, you (and I) are constrained by the law; the lawbreaker obviously is not. But if you overstep the limits then you also become a lawbreaker.

Believe me, I can see your point and sympathise with it; but them's the rules

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Maybe its my youth, but I cant agree with the "violence doesnt solve anything" attitude that some people have, although I can respect it. I just dont have that sort of lid on my temper.

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I would have been straight on the phone to get a man with a weapon to back me up, and i would have kicked the living shit out of the girls.

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How the hell could your action be premeditated if you unexpectedly walk round a corner and find someone kicking seven bells out of your car? Or if you walk round a corner and someone starts whacking you?

Unless you're psychic. In which case, don't park the car there if you already know what's going to happen!

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How the hell could your action be premeditated if you unexpectedly walk round a corner and find someone kicking seven bells out of your car? Or if you walk round a corner and someone starts whacking you?

Unless you're psychic. In which case, don't park the car there if you already know what's going to happen!

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How the hell could your action be premeditated if you unexpectedly walk round a corner and find someone kicking seven bells out of your car? Or if you walk round a corner and someone starts whacking you?

Unless you're psychic. In which case, don't park the car there if you already know what's going to happen!

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Erm, if you look at what i was quoting he said about ringing someone up to then come and help beat them up. That to me then makes it premedatated as it is beyond a reflex reaction and you've thought about the best process you think is needed to sort the situation out.

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Chavs dont have a gender in my view they are just scum, theres no talking to them, they dont see things in the same way as you 2.

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I've been in the situation of sedici, I was attacked but she was female I cant hit back - if it happened again then she'll find out that hitting guys isnt a right females have.

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Simply I feel the country now has this sewer class, no respect as they have no values, this is why you cant talk to them, and the law is pathetic in this situation. If you dont protect your own property in this country no else will. frankly I'm sick of it, its a real descent in society. Chavs believe they are the untouchables, with nothing to loose they dont see the effect of lame punishments such as a caution, they wear it as a badge amle or female. They know that decent people wont hit back; with the weak law enforcement I dont what's the answer, all of this makes my blood boil.

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