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Re: 20VT Plus
[Re: montydog]
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29/02/2024 11:52
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Countrycruising
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If I was going to view a 200k mile Coupe there are a number of questions I'd ask and a list of checks that would need ticking for me to be confident with parting with my money, at that mileage it would frighten 99% of people away as the majority of potential buyers looking to come in or back to the fold are always seeking out low mileage examples so they wouldn't consider this and probably wouldn't even bother viewing, the only difference here is it's a Yellow Plus which as you've learned are rare.
My questions would be:
Has any rust been repaired underneath and if so are there any pictures to show it was done correctly. Is the underside covered in underseal. Do the subframes look rusty, rear trailing arms etc. What new components have been fitted in the past 5yrs, ie suspension, brakes etc. Has the 6sp gearbox been rebuilt in its lifetime. Is it the original engine. What is the engine compression test results, leak down test would also be useful. What's the oil pressure hot and cold, and has the engine ever been repaired. What's the condition of the coolant system, hoses and a/c condenser and pipework. Basic one, are all the keys present and work, code card, working key fobs. Does the service history make sense, stamped book would be full at 200k. Are quality branded tyres fitted, that says a lot about the previous owner. Does it look rolled in glitter!
Price wise these days a Coupe is only worth what someone is willing to pay, what's the price tag Alan?
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Re: 20VT Plus
[Re: Countrycruising]
#1670408
29/02/2024 17:32
29/02/2024 17:32
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Posts: 69 South Brent
montydog
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Excellent - I had checked that. The current reg no is different to the plate on the front cover which is W949 YKK. I've looked at the Plus register on here but it doesn't show up. He may well have been a club member.
Last edited by montydog; 29/02/2024 17:33.
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Re: 20VT Plus
[Re: Countrycruising]
#1670422
01/03/2024 14:08
01/03/2024 14:08
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Posts: 21,616 Aldershot
PeteP
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Yes I've found it, issue 224 October 2014, used to belong to John Anastasio who's well known on here.
Another ULEZ victim I fear. We had John's Yellow Plus on the club stand at the NEC Lancaster Insurance Classic Show back in November 2018.
16VT and X1/9 1500
We must all do our part for the planet. I unplugged a row of electric cars that nobody was using.
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Re: 20VT Plus
[Re: montydog]
#1671344
16/04/2024 07:35
16/04/2024 07:35
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Posts: 33,655 Berlin
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For a car which is looked after, serviced, and regularly used, 200k is hardly galactic... indeed, it's barely run in ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif) Think about a thirty year old car - six or seven thousand miles a year? It's hardly heavy usage... (I hate those journalists in the 'classic car' magazines who get so orgasmic over fifty year old Ferraris with only three thousand kilometers on the clock... it's for driving; bloody drive it!) Neil
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Re: 20VT Plus
[Re: Submariner]
#1671364
16/04/2024 14:25
16/04/2024 14:25
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montydog
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I remember Serg1 buying this car; it was advertised on here and from Maidstone, Kent; it was used as a motorway daily driver to London and back daily by the previous owner and it had about circa 180K+ on it when sold to Serg1. It was sold for peanuts in the £00's due I guess to the galactic mileage and prices then....Serg1 then put some money into the car, but being a London car guess it has been outed courtesy of Khan's cash grab. I remember leaving Horsham Italian car event few year's ago, few of us with Serg1 heading back to M25 and opening mine up towards the motorway, he didn't follow, I guess the 200K on the lump playing on his mind ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) Hi Submariner, Very useful information about the previous usage of my Coupe. I've been through the service history which reveals that the first owner put an average of 40,000 miles a year on the car for it's first 4 years and it was sold in mid 2004 with 167,800 miles. The next owner kept it for 9 years and sold it to Serg1 at 187,000. He owned it for 10 years until this February and put 5,000 miles on it. During his ownership, it was a front cover feature car on AutoItalia Magazine October 2014 edition.The car currently has 191,000 miles. The fact that my car has covered 88% of it's mileage on the motorway explains why it's still on it's original engine, gearbox and turbo with no rebuilds, It starts on the button, there is no smoke and it holds 2.5 bar at hot idle. I have just spent quite a lot of money having all the rust cut out underneath and new metal let in (not a huge amount but a lot of fiddly small bits) and having it rustproofed with Dinitrol wax in the box sections and Dinitrol underseal on the rest of the underpinnings. The car was resprayed and refurbished 10 years ago and looks great from 10 feet away but on closer inspection, their are a lot of small imperfections in the paint. I'm going to see how much can be machine polished out and whether I can justify respraying the worst bits (bonnet and boot). Overall, I am very pleased with the car as I don't think I would ever find another yellow plus with the essential-to-me factory sunroof. I intend to use my coupe sparingly but regularly throughout the year taking it to local Alfa club meets (I have two Alfas so it gets honorary admission!) and Italian car days locally.
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Re: 20VT Plus
[Re: montydog]
#1671378
16/04/2024 19:46
16/04/2024 19:46
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barnacle
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Club Member 18 - ex-Minister without Portfolio
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Currently my coupe has 190k miles on it. Before I moved to Germany I had two Bravos, with a total of about 470k miles on them (and one of those written off in an accident with 260k). Neither of these had any bodywork or rust repair as far as I remember; the coupe has certainly had some, but it was a daily driver for many many years and lived outside for most of them.
I don't agree with the fashionable view that Fiats rust, any more than any other thirty year old car does... and to be honest, if the rust has been attended to, the other wearable parts are more likely to have been replaced on a high mileage car. Road salt will kill any car, of course...
There are of course utter dogs, badly treated and uncared-for, in any marque including the coupe.
Neil
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Re: 20VT Plus
[Re: montydog]
#1671403
17/04/2024 13:14
17/04/2024 13:14
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Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,466 Kent
Submariner
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I remember Serg1 buying this car; it was advertised on here and from Maidstone, Kent; it was used as a motorway daily driver to London and back daily by the previous owner and it had about circa 180K+ on it when sold to Serg1. It was sold for peanuts in the £00's due I guess to the galactic mileage and prices then....Serg1 then put some money into the car, but being a London car guess it has been outed courtesy of Khan's cash grab. I remember leaving Horsham Italian car event few year's ago, few of us with Serg1 heading back to M25 and opening mine up towards the motorway, he didn't follow, I guess the 200K on the lump playing on his mind ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) Hi Submariner, Very useful information about the previous usage of my Coupe. I've been through the service history which reveals that the first owner put an average of 40,000 miles a year on the car for it's first 4 years and it was sold in mid 2004 with 167,800 miles. The next owner kept it for 9 years and sold it to Serg1 at 187,000. He owned it for 10 years until this February and put 5,000 miles on it. During his ownership, it was a front cover feature car on AutoItalia Magazine October 2014 edition.The car currently has 191,000 miles. The fact that my car has covered 88% of it's mileage on the motorway explains why it's still on it's original engine, gearbox and turbo with no rebuilds, It starts on the button, there is no smoke and it holds 2.5 bar at hot idle. I have just spent quite a lot of money having all the rust cut out underneath and new metal let in (not a huge amount but a lot of fiddly small bits) and having it rustproofed with Dinitrol wax in the box sections and Dinitrol underseal on the rest of the underpinnings. The car was resprayed and refurbished 10 years ago and looks great from 10 feet away but on closer inspection, their are a lot of small imperfections in the paint. I'm going to see how much can be machine polished out and whether I can justify respraying the worst bits (bonnet and boot). Overall, I am very pleased with the car as I don't think I would ever find another yellow plus with the essential-to-me factory sunroof. I intend to use my coupe sparingly but regularly throughout the year taking it to local Alfa club meets (I have two Alfas so it gets honorary admission!) and Italian car days locally. Original Turbo!!!! That's longevity, mine is on 119K with the original turbo...I don't have any previous identified rust issues underneath (well had the rear boot seam done and front arch area behind both front wheels) nothing ever on MOT but looked yesterday and there are some missing patches of protector/surface rust appearing and lower sills need treating so Bilt Hamber or Lanshield/ACF 50 in a few weeks if it ever warms up. What is the penchant for a sunroof? My Sprinty has one and I think I would prefer without for looks, lines and headroom? Your car sounds like it is in safe hands, enjoy it!
Last edited by Submariner; 17/04/2024 13:21.
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