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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: andyps]
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03/01/2018 09:39
03/01/2018 09:39
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I test drove both the new Type R and a Scooby BRZ (GT86) along with a Focus ST. I eventually plumped for the ST as it was way better all round. The BRZ was a hoot to drive. Going back to RWD would have been fun but decided against it in the end because the back seats (only 2) were very tight and the bootspace was pretty small too. I very nearly didn't drive the Type R as I'd not seen one close up until the day I arrived at the dealership. It's definitely a marmite car with it's looks. Despite me not particularly liking the chavvy look I took it out for the morning and on the whole, enjoyed driving it. The day I drove it was damp and pulling away from lights it sometimes had difficulty in getting the power down. Cornering was very good but like most cars of the genre, the ride was pretty crashy over rough roads. The interior in the one I drove was awful The red seats looked awful and tbh the interior itself is pretty dated and naff looking. As I said earlier, I plumped for a Focus ST in the end.
......My Boy...... (PB #7)
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: andyps]
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03/01/2018 12:09
03/01/2018 12:09
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Trappy - I watched that video a couple of days ago. Golf fits in the "normal" car category, sure it is great but doesn't appeal.
Fair enough. I'm in a similar boat really, but I've decided to get a new, reliable, practical and moderately nippy car for 'normal' use. And keep the Coop for... abnormal use Funnily enough I was picked on by a Mk6 Golf R last night while heading home from work. I wish I'd been able to tell him it was on the low boost setting to give me more grip in the damp conditions
F****** b****** thing...
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: andyps]
#1613919
03/01/2018 12:46
03/01/2018 12:46
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i had the pleasure of driving a car I didn't know existed until the evening before! I would say, go give this a try. Loved it... N30 all sorted by the guy responsible to the M power BMW's.. it reviews very well to
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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03/01/2018 14:29
03/01/2018 14:29
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The A45 is ridiculously quick and, for me at least, an example of a car that’s far too capable to use effectively on UK roads and I would find it deeply frustrating. I test drove one and came back completely cold - impressed but uninterested. In some ways, it’s a driverless car: it doesn’t matter who is behind the wheel - they just need to tell it where to go - the car will do the rest. And, I’m sorry, but the aero kit is ridiculous too - little winglets and a high-level spoiler. The insane popping and banging from the exhaust will get you noticed - but maybe not in a good way. Not a fan then? I only pointed out the aero pack as it would make it stand out from an A Class which is what the OP is after. Plenty of Performance/Super cars which fall into your example of a car that’s far too capable to use effectively on UK roads FWIW, I enjoyed driving the A45. Fantastic car.
......My Boy...... (PB #7)
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: bezzer]
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03/01/2018 15:14
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My partner had the GT86 for 2 years and it's a very capable and quite quick car. In the front it's a nice place to be but as Bezzer says the rear is non-existent if you travel more than 500 yards! The other, final thing for me was (and partner) on long trips the very nice seats became uncomfortable and if anyone is prone to a bit of backache I'd suggest avoiding it. on the plus side it was an engaging drive when pushed and sedate when needed to be. Nothing ever went wrong with it either and that reliability is a massive plus point. Good luck in what you choose.........
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: bezzer]
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03/01/2018 22:21
03/01/2018 22:21
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Plenty of Performance/Super cars which fall into your example of a car that’s far too capable to use effectively on UK roads .
Great car but, at the kind of road speeds you get to do most of the time in this country, you may as well just be driving the Sport model because at least you’d avoid that insane exhaust popping. It’s in stark contrast to say, a BMW i8, which, on paper, has the same performance figures but is far more of an event to drive - fantastic cabin that is such a lovely place to be. And, if you want to tootle along with electric, totally quiet or add the petrol engine for some theatre. Twice the price (or more) granted but just to make the point that bald performance figures aren’t everything. Or the Alfa 4C - quick (and flawed) but involving (once that horrible understeer is dialled out). Or a Cayman. The A45 is just too capable - there’s no fun in that. Take the train. I wasn’t having a go about the aero bits - but I just think they look ridiculous.
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: barnacle]
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04/01/2018 06:50
04/01/2018 06:50
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This forum does puzzle me at times If we're going to get taken down for talking about cars that exceed the speed limits/drive well/have a loud exhaust, then I'll not bother! @OP, I hope you get what you're after, please ignore my suggestions as they appear to upset certain Forum members Think I'll bow out from this thread.
......My Boy...... (PB #7)
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: bezzer]
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04/01/2018 08:53
04/01/2018 08:53
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MeanRedSpider
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This forum does puzzle me at times If we're going to get taken down for talking about cars that exceed the speed limits/drive well/have a loud exhaust, then I'll not bother! @OP, I hope you get what you're after, please ignore my suggestions as they appear to upset certain Forum members Think I'll bow out from this thread. I think you’re overreacting to what I said. I’m in no way upset but I do have a strong opinion on the A45 (and cars like it) - it’s an “arms race” car to look good on paper but, in my opinion, totally pointless. I used to drive my Alfa on the road but hated it because, at safe and even vaguely sensible speeds, I’d be using a fraction of its capability. Another example was my brother had a Caterham 1700 Supersprint - one of the least powerful Caterhams at the time - and he kept wondering whether to upgrade it. But he said other road users simply weren’t expecting it to be as quick as it was. @Barnacle - I’ve been saying the same thing for a long time too. I’ve had as much fun, if not more, in 69bhp Fiat 500s hustling them along. The day I spent in Mark Hales’ Mazda MX5 at the Blyton circuit demonstrated what a bog-standard “hairdresser” car is capable of. Brakes are the only thing that most road cars need to improve to survive on track. On my Abarth 595, they’d last only one lap at racing pace before the pedal went. @OP - worth checking the Fiat “employee” (can’t remember the proper name) deals on the 4C Spider. I’ve been half-tempted as they seem to be trying to give them away with big dealer contributions and very cheap finance. I assume they’re just not selling enough.
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: andyps]
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04/01/2018 09:50
04/01/2018 09:50
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It seems that Evo agree with me Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG review - Incredible pace but not much fun Evo A45 review They even comment on my experience of the exhaust First versions of the A45 made a long flatulent parp with every gear change, though that maybe better now
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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04/01/2018 09:58
04/01/2018 09:58
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Trappy
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Another example was my brother had a Caterham 1700 Supersprint - one of the least powerful Caterhams at the time - and he kept wondering whether to upgrade it. But he said other road users simply weren’t expecting it to be as quick as it was.
You wouldn't believe the number of times I use to find myself next to one of these 'Caterfields' at the lights. Two old boys in, flat caps and smug faces, smirking at the pasting they thought I was going to get. You probably would believe the result though... @OP - worth checking the Fiat “employee” (can’t remember the proper name) deals on the 4C Spider. I’ve been half-tempted as they seem to be trying to give them away with big dealer contributions and very cheap finance. I assume they’re just not selling enough.
Isn't it the Fiat Affinity Scheme?. I imagine that they're not selling enough because it's about £20k more than it should be. For the same money you can have a Giulia Quadrifoglio that would murder it in every conceivable comparison. On the subject of too fast / capabale for fun MRS, I have to wonder if your race experience has changed your idea of what fun is on the public highway? If you're used to hustling a car along at consistent, high speeds around a track, where you're nailing every bend and carrying as much speed onto the next straight as you can, then you're going to find the sorts of speeds us mortals consider 'fun' a bit dull. You'd no doubt give my 400bhp coop a bloody good hiding in your 595 over a country road for example. For me though, fun is a damn good squirt off a roundabut or slip road, hopefully embarrassing someone who thought they were going to leave me in the dust. Noise and drama to go with that is great If a car does that and happens to double as a comfortable, smooth cruiser that doesn't get out of shape at the same time due to modern stability systems, then great. Most people don't have a track special to let of steam so their choice of car would probably be very different to yours.
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: Trappy]
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04/01/2018 10:35
04/01/2018 10:35
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For me though, fun is a damn good squirt off a roundabut or slip road, hopefully embarrassing someone who thought they were going to leave me in the dust. Noise and drama to go with that is great If a car does that and happens to double as a comfortable, smooth cruiser that doesn't get out of shape at the same time due to modern stability systems, then great. Most people don't have a track special to let of steam so their choice of car would probably be very different to yours. Exactly
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: Trappy]
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04/01/2018 10:36
04/01/2018 10:36
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MeanRedSpider
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Isn't it the Fiat Affinity Scheme?. I imagine that they're not selling enough because it's about £20k more than it should be. For the same money you can have a Giulia Quadrifoglio that would murder it in every conceivable comparison.
Ah yes, Affinity, well done! - I still get the regular updates and there are some fabulous deals in there if you’re after a Fiat, Alfa or Jeep. The 595 was only £199 a month for a year then give it back - fun car except for the seat/seating position. On the subject of too fast / capabale for fun MRS, I have to wonder if your race experience has changed your idea of what fun is on the public highway? If you're used to hustling a car along at consistent, high speeds around a track, where you're nailing every bend and carrying as much speed onto the next straight as you can, then you're going to find the sorts of speeds us mortals consider 'fun' a bit dull. You'd no doubt give my 400bhp coop a bloody good hiding in your 595 over a country road for example. For me though, fun is a damn good squirt off a roundabut or slip road, hopefully embarrassing someone who thought they were going to leave me in the dust. Noise and drama to go with that is great If a car does that and happens to double as a comfortable, smooth cruiser that doesn't get out of shape at the same time due to modern stability systems, then great. Most people don't have a track special to let of steam so their choice of car would probably be very different to yours. I have wondered about that which was why I was interested to see what Evo said and I couldn’t disagree with a single word. Merc are clearly locked in a arms race with Audi so I expect to see even more absurd versions of the A45 to appear. ETA - it’s not the speed (or lack thereof) that I find dull but the lack of involvement at any given speed. To be involved in the driving of an A45, you need to be going at absolutely blistering speed. To be involved in the driving of a small, fun, hatch like a 69bhp 500, you are barely keeping up. The car needs to be rewarding - there are some truly hateful cars out there (Vauxhalls I have hired for instance) - but It’s the percentage of the capability of the car you can use. If all you are looking for is the ability to squirt the car in a straight line, then fair enough - but that’s always been the lowest hurdle.
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: andyps]
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04/01/2018 14:34
04/01/2018 14:34
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The new type R is really good but it just looks to Halfords in my eyes I prefer the last model but the new one is better from every review ive read.
The Coupe isnt something you can compare it against because its very dated now so Coupe is all about the heart for me now and being the under dog
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Re: Honda Civic Type-R 2017 model
[Re: andyps]
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04/01/2018 16:28
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I agree, not fair to compare it to the Coupe, the Type-R really does show how suspension and engine technology has improved in the last 20+ years. But it doesn't have the 5 pot sound! The Golf R does! Seriously, what is this stupid 5 cylinder 'Soundaktor' going to sound like?
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