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Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
#1585927
04/10/2016 00:00
04/10/2016 00:00
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Posts: 325 Benfleet, Essex
robcal
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What's your justification for pouring money into the pit which is the Fiat Coupe?
I garaged mine almost 5 years ago when little Robcal came along - I couldn't devote any time or money to it, but couldn't bear the idea of getting rid of a car I had coveted for so long. It was especially hard because the value of the car was far, far less than had been spent on it.
Over the summer, I decided I'd see if I could get her going. A new battery went on and remarkably she started first time. I gave her a bit of a clean up (mainly dust and cat paw prints) and booked in a health check at Poweritalia.
Unfortunately, she gave up on me halfway there - the alternator had packed up. And there she's been ever since. Roger called me today and there's a pretty extensive to-do list if I want to get her roadworthy:
Wishbones Cambelt Rear brake pipes Brake pads Radiator New handbrake cable...
It's going to end up costing £2000 just to get her going, and even then she's not in exactly good condition. Its really gutting, but it's heart vs head and I'm desperately trying to think of reasons to fork out the money!
It's a madness I tell you!
Last edited by robcal; 04/10/2016 00:00.
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: robcal]
#1585928
04/10/2016 00:16
04/10/2016 00:16
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Kerr20v
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You never get back what you put in, we do it for the love of it, £2k seems quite steep to be honest, wouldn't hurt to shop around or perhaps do some of the work yourself? Either way Im sure you'll agree theres not much out there that looks as good for so little cash!!
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
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#1585930
04/10/2016 00:26
04/10/2016 00:26
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robcal
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You never get back what you put in, we do it for the love of it, £2k seems quite steep to be honest, wouldn't hurt to shop around or perhaps do some of the work yourself? Either way Im sure you'll agree theres not much out there that looks as good for so little cash!! I think there's more which needs to be done which I've forgotten to be fair! Any idea how much I might get for one of my kidneys?
Last edited by robcal; 04/10/2016 00:28.
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: robcal]
#1585931
04/10/2016 01:30
04/10/2016 01:30
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Theresa
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As you might remember, I recently had this dilemma My trusty Coupe of 10 years needed a lot more than I could afford and that wasn't including things I could do myself. Approx 2K for welding, cambelt, new tyres, were all needed and it would have still come back with the badly lacquer peeled roof and bootlid and still with all the deep scratches down the drivers side from when it got maliciously damaged at work a couple of years If I'd had 2/3K to spend on it, I would have done. I really didn't want to be without a Coupe though and generally a car, as the Coupe is my everyday car. I had very kind and thoughtful pledges of help from people here, but would have been wrong for me to accept. However, Rob40 on here knows what I'm like and how much I love the Coupe, so he went and bought one and is letting me pay him back as and when I can afford it. If you have the money to spend on yours then do it, but otherwise, maybe get another and use yours for spares? That's what I'm doing with my old one
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: robcal]
#1585939
04/10/2016 08:12
04/10/2016 08:12
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glenn1960
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i have just shelled out 3 grand to keep my two in good nick, rust issues sorted, 2 MOTs , respray and other work etc. They still put a smile on my face and therefore the cost was worth it.
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: barnacle]
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04/10/2016 09:25
04/10/2016 09:25
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Posts: 325 Benfleet, Essex
robcal
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One thought: £2000 over five years is four hundred quid a year. A cheap car bought now will cost you that on the repayments... *every month*.
You like the coupe? No contest. I like this logic! Plus I've already paid for the insurance for a year, and I wouldn't want that to go to waste!
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: robcal]
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04/10/2016 09:53
04/10/2016 09:53
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Craig1989
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I don't even try to justify it anymore. I like it so I keep it and try to continuously improve it.
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
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#1585953
04/10/2016 11:51
04/10/2016 11:51
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Cooldog
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Its really not worth trying to justify pouring money into a coupe as you'll go mad, many sleepless nights argueing with yourself. You need to either go with your head or your heart for the love of the car and the passion you have for it. In my case head said break it and get more, heart said you wanna spank that porsche down the road, do it! Can you justify spending in excess of 10k? Not if you look at market values, especially if heavily modding. I looked at what else you can get at the 15k-20k mark. M3's, M5's, AMG's RS etc etc but do they have the same feel? Not in my opinion. Generic interiors and car shapes. The Coupe scores high in individuality how many do you see around on a regular basis. Ok the coupe is not a purist drivers car to some, but when you consider the age and what else was around at that time it was almost ground breaking in styling with great power to boot. If you look at servicing costs of modern performance cars there is little difference, infact the coupe is probably slightly cheaper. I would argue your driving a performance car so should be expecting high bills. You wouldnt go and buy a old jaguar XJR and be suprised by the running costs (You know who! :D) There is always the hope it will finally get the appreciation it truly deserves from the general motoring world and prices would sore but I dont think this will happen. The dilemma I had more was, standard restoration or heavily modified with a bias to track and fast road driving. Its always great to see a coupe spank modern day "Fast" cars and continue surprising the less informed. Still awaiting mine returning from a long spell in refit. Excited to say the least, just a good job the wife has no idea of the costs envolved, otherwise heart and head wouldnt get a look in! Its a classic keep the faith.
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: robcal]
#1585956
04/10/2016 13:19
04/10/2016 13:19
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I am just going through this same process. My car has been sat outside for 18 months unused. Now I have a garage, I have the inclination to get it sorted out. Getting it running and MOT'd over the next few days will be the priority and then I will get the roof painted soon after. I have felt guilty having a car sat outside not getting used for so long after I have spent £000's on it over the years. The car will never return me the money I have spent on it, but what can you replace it with, that looks and goes as good for the money? Funds have recently been going the way of the X19, but now that is tucked away for winter, the Coupe can now receive some TLC. Even my other half has been asking why the "blue car" is just sitting there unused. My justification for spending money on cars is simple, I don't spend loads on the latest tech/games consoles, I don't play expensive sports such as golf or fishing where the kit is a fortune. Cars are a passion and hobby to me, so that's where my money goes and I enjoy it. In sorting out the Coupe, it will also bring me back as a regular contributor to this forum, which I seem to have been absent from due to work and family commitments over the last couple of years. The forum has already proven to be a valuable source of information and helped sourced a part within 24 hours. Any idea how much I might get for one of my kidneys?
Incidentally I am having to have one of my kidney's removed later this month due to it failing earlier this year, so I could do with a spare... Swap you for a few parts?
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: robcal]
#1585958
04/10/2016 13:29
04/10/2016 13:29
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Coupe Ownership in maintaining in reality is no different on other Modern Classics of the same era. My little brother has a Mitsubishi 3000 GTO, he has spent a bomb, though not worth much, loves it so much he will not part with it.
Some other staff in our office have fast Fords, Renaults, Masers from the 80's and Alfa's / Mazda's from the 90's, they all seem to be on par with a Fiat Coupe, if a little more in some cases of running a powerful modern classic.
Would you rather spend £2000 on a holiday and get no return other than sunburn or spend it on a Coupe and cherish it. Easy answer for me.
Last edited by ScouseCoupe; 04/10/2016 13:29. Reason: .
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: robcal]
#1585960
04/10/2016 13:36
04/10/2016 13:36
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When I replaced my Coupe as a daily driver my justification for keeping it was that the value of it was so low it wasn't worth selling. Having a spare car meant I could use it for hillclimbing on the basis that if it broke or I crashed it I would still have a car to use for essentials. Four seasons of competing later having not had to spend too much (at least, that is what my wife thinks ) the engine has given up. Am I scrapping it, no, more money is going into it. I've sourced a replacement engine (and have to thank Teresa for the offer of hers but I'm going for one with lower mileage that is already out of the donor car) and will be giving it a transplant over the winter. That does mean more money of course as the belts will be done, the clutch may as well be replaced and I'm thinking of a gearbox rebuild and possibly a Quaife diff. Once I've spent all of that I will have to keep it going for longer to spread the cost, even though that is biund to mean more money over time. Seems I will be stuck with a Coupe for a while - not a hardship!
Andy
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: robcal]
#1585988
04/10/2016 21:45
04/10/2016 21:45
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Interesting that this thread has cropped up - I had been considering why I'd been keeping my Coupe. Its been about five months since I last used it - its halfway down its second tank of fuel since last November.... Its safe enough - tucked up in the garage with a cover over it. The cats get more use out of it, as they like to lie on the roof.
However, my Alfa GT needs to go into Motormech for a week for investigation into a whining noise (either alternator or belt tensioners), so I've dragged the Coupe out from hibernation - well, not really a hibernation, just a "can't be ar$ed to get it out of the garage"...
After I'd charged the battery, it fired within a couple of seconds and idled nicely. I decided to take it for a quick shakedown run just to be sure.
This is when I remembered why I'd kept it covered up in the garage - after 5 months of a 150bhp diesel, the Coupe is utterly ballistic and makes an amazing noise. It rattles and creaks and the clutch is a b1tch, but its all forgiven when it hits 3,500rpm and the world goes into reverse.
I'll probably be cursing it after a week in M42 traffic and low 20s mpg, but what the hell, I think I'll enjoy the last few dry days of autumn....
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: robcal]
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04/10/2016 22:40
04/10/2016 22:40
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Nello
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Nello
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Nice one Nigel As some of you know my LE is up for sale however I must have been lucky as in getting on for eight years of ownership I have had little expense with the car and its never let me down. Yes it was Icebergs car before me but every owner obviously cherished it and it has had - what I think makes the difference in any Coupe - yearly maintenance with a 'whatever needs doing' owner approach. Regular servicing - yearly oil-changes etc. I took someone out in it last week and they were genuinely amazed by a} the performance and b} that the car was 18 years old! In an ideal world I'd like to hibernate it over winter now but it never fails to please me whenever I park it up and turn around to look at it as I walk away. I've lost count now of the amount of people who have approached me whilst filling up to ask me about the car. What other car of the value can do that!
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: Countrycruising]
#1586085
06/10/2016 00:34
06/10/2016 00:34
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I tucked mine away last week as the tax was due so thought I'd SORN it foe winter, now with the weather we're having I'm feeling this was a mistake as it's been a gourgous week so far. Hurricane Matthew will be influencing the weather by next week to make you feel better Joe! Still, I took mine to Bath today and will hopefully get to go to Cardiff Friday as a last hurrah!
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: robcal]
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07/10/2016 00:26
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Slugcatcher1
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My point is similar to others on here I suppose.
I was recently bored and so decided to pay a visit to the local Suzuki garage to test drive a Swift Sport. I've always liked them and have read good reviews. And yes, it turned out they are rather good, but the issue comes with the monthly payments on such a car. £500 deposit then about £240 a month. Sure, the Suzuki is better kitted out, has modern safety features, handles better, does better mpg, and dare I say it feels almost as quick up to 70mph (though I know the official figures say otherwise). But nearly £3000 a year for a cheap little Suzuki? I must admit I reckon I've avaraged about £2000 a year spend on the Coupe but this was all overhaul stuff which should mean it is less in the future. Probably!
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: Trappy]
#1586252
08/10/2016 14:01
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Really interesting thread....I've been having the same problem!! My inky has generally been in good order and used for many years as my only daily car. Approaching 150,000 on the clock I always assumed it would simply die or fail its mot so badly one year that I'd be forced to let it go!!! However it kept going strong and every year it's only need general wear and tear maintenance expected for a car of its age and mileage. This year I finally decided to spend some decent cash getting the body work sorted (roof lacquer peel, dent on bonnet and rusty cups) with a full respray. Joe had it in already to go and we decided just to double check all else was well. Engine compression test showed a solid engine however those few rust patches in the boot turned out to be some major rot....gutted....looking at sorting the rust and a respray just didn't make financial sense given the mileage and other bits that needed to be sorted. I decided to let this years mot run out and search for another. However after a few month searching nothing has come up as I've started to realise well sorted coupes are rare and low mileage ones are now fetching decent money. I also specifically want an inky, 20vt with leather, sunroof and aircon that has always been my dream package!! So after some sole searching I've decided to bite off the work in chunks to keep it going....firstly getting some welding done and then getting the worst bits of the body sprayed..it won't be showroom condition but aiming just to keep it decent..I know it's probably not really worth spending anything on the car but I just can't let it rot out without a fight.....sometimes the heart won't listen to your wallet!! As other posters say it's a tricky call as you see so many coupes being broken up. Throwing a couple of grand at these cars is a tough choice when everyone else thinks your mad for not just getting a newer car!
inky goodness!!
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: mr_nobut]
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09/10/2016 08:16
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glenn1960
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Really interesting thread....I've been having the same problem!! My inky has generally been in good order and used for many years as my only daily car. Approaching 150,000 on the clock I always assumed it would simply die or fail its mot so badly one year that I'd be forced to let it go!!! However it kept going strong and every year it's only need general wear and tear maintenance expected for a car of its age and mileage. This year I finally decided to spend some decent cash getting the body work sorted (roof lacquer peel, dent on bonnet and rusty cups) with a full respray. Joe had it in already to go and we decided just to double check all else was well. Engine compression test showed a solid engine however those few rust patches in the boot turned out to be some major rot....gutted....looking at sorting the rust and a respray just didn't make financial sense given the mileage and other bits that needed to be sorted. I decided to let this years mot run out and search for another. However after a few month searching nothing has come up as I've started to realise well sorted coupes are rare and low mileage ones are now fetching decent money. I also specifically want an inky, 20vt with leather, sunroof and aircon that has always been my dream package!! So after some sole searching I've decided to bite off the work in chunks to keep it going....firstly getting some welding done and then getting the worst bits of the body sprayed..it won't be showroom condition but aiming just to keep it decent..I know it's probably not really worth spending anything on the car but I just can't let it rot out without a fight.....sometimes the heart won't listen to your wallet!! As other posters say it's a tricky call as you see so many coupes being broken up. Throwing a couple of grand at these cars is a tough choice when everyone else thinks your mad for not just getting a newer car! ...............................................................everyone thats scrapped , yours just becomes that little bit rarer ! I saved my 16v as its low mileage, one of the oldest and worth a respray, not sure i will be respraying my 20v with 161,000 on the clock, even with bthe welding sorted .
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Re: Justifying Keeping Your Coupe
[Re: robcal]
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08/12/2016 13:03
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Jonscoupe
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Well done Robcal. Keep her going. You know it makes sense Well maybe not financially but somehow these cars do seem to put a smile on your face don't they
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