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Re: in or out
[Re: jimboy]
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25/04/2016 04:33
25/04/2016 04:33
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patch234
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I wonder what impact us leaving would have on the EU? No one is really mentioning this aspect? Well, here in Azerbaijan, no one is mentioning anything about it .. as no one really cares....
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Re: in or out
[Re: jimboy]
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25/04/2016 10:36
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Good example of a country reaping the benefits of significant EU 'involvement' without so many of the drawbacks. If it's possible for a non-European country...
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Re: in or out
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25/04/2016 11:41
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I wonder what impact us leaving would have on the EU? No one is really mentioning this aspect? Well, here in Azerbaijan, no one is mentioning anything about it .. as no one really cares.... I did ask this a few messages back and I think it might start the demise of the Eu! Possibly why nobody is highlighting it certainly the stay party! Surely it's going to put extra burden on the wealthier states that pay the most with the U.K. Gone (theoretically) means that they would need to make up the difference!? Also what would be the effect of Germany leaving? Surprised the leave party is not painting this as a bleak possibility as I'm sure we would then be very keen to leave especially with the other Eastern European countries posed to join then turkey on top of that!
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Re: in or out
[Re: H_R]
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25/04/2016 13:14
25/04/2016 13:14
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I speak to a lot of small business owners. Despite media coverage, they aren't all rolling in money. Many earn the same or less than their employees and have to work very hard for it. My own poll so far is around 10 to stay in, 1 to leave.
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Re: in or out
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25/04/2016 14:17
25/04/2016 14:17
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I speak to a lot of small business owners. Despite media coverage, they aren't all rolling in money. Many earn the same or less than their employees and have to work very hard for it. My own poll so far is around 10 to stay in, 1 to leave. what is their primary concern as a small business owner?
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Re: in or out
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25/04/2016 14:20
25/04/2016 14:20
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I speak to a lot of small business owners. Despite media coverage, they aren't all rolling in money. Many earn the same or less than their employees and have to work very hard for it. My own poll so far is around 10 to stay in, 1 to leave. That is very interesting (especially as I am a small business).
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Re: in or out
[Re: jimboy]
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25/04/2016 14:53
25/04/2016 14:53
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I'm not sure the relationship between the UK and the EU would ever be remotely similar to that between Brussels and Baku Completely agree with you Jim but by the same measure I believe some facets of our existing relationship need to be renegotiated. Unfortunately that's not an option, as proven by Cameron last year. The outcome of his challenge was eminently predictable. Remaining in will surely signify acceptance of our continued, involuntarily-muted subservience as EU meddling increases. An out vote for me is the only protest left available and I'm genuinely optimistic that it would pave the way for a better relationship to flourish. For the record, I agree with a number of points and concerns voiced by those in the yes camp but am deeply suspicious some of the risks are grossly exaggerated. Our exit should not unequivocally preclude any potential to retain or re-establish mutually beneficial arrangements, it's not "the end". If the EU value our input then they should be open to future involvement. Right now they've no incentive to listen.
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Re: in or out
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25/04/2016 15:28
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I speak to a lot of small business owners. Despite media coverage, they aren't all rolling in money. Many earn the same or less than their employees and have to work very hard for it. My own poll so far is around 10 to stay in, 1 to leave. That is very interesting (especially as I am a small business). Ditto
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Re: in or out
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25/04/2016 17:54
25/04/2016 17:54
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I speak to a lot of small business owners. Despite media coverage, they aren't all rolling in money. Many earn the same or less than their employees and have to work very hard for it. My own poll so far is around 10 to stay in, 1 to leave. That is very interesting (especially as I am a small business). Reading your Facebook feed Jim, it's Yorkshire Owls Weekday Soccerball Team isn't it??
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Re: in or out
[Re: oxfordSteve]
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25/04/2016 18:29
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I speak to a lot of small business owners. Despite media coverage, they aren't all rolling in money. Many earn the same or less than their employees and have to work very hard for it. My own poll so far is around 10 to stay in, 1 to leave. That is very interesting (especially as I am a small business). Reading your Facebook feed Jim, it's Yorkshire Owls Weekday Soccerball Team isn't it?? WAWAW
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Re: in or out
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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25/04/2016 22:51
25/04/2016 22:51
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I speak to a lot of small business owners. Despite media coverage, they aren't all rolling in money. Many earn the same or less than their employees and have to work very hard for it. My own poll so far is around 10 to stay in, 1 to leave. That is very interesting (especially as I am a small business). Mario and Jim- Because they believe that within the EU is the best place for them and their business. At the simplest level, it is the uncertainty. Certainty plays a big role in business. I know of quite a few manufacturing businesses that have seen BIG orders put on hold because of what may/may not happen. There is enough uncertainty already, without adding another layer of complication. There has been a lot of red tape created over the years and plenty of employee rights, but I don't know many owners that resent the latter. They just want to run their businesses, get on with life and make sure their staff are happy. Most business owners we come into contact with believe workers in the UK get a good deal and the balance is generally fair. Most are not creaming huge profits off their staff. Clearly there are many who are 'low paid' and can barely exist on these wages. The balance between rich and poor is increasing, but the taxation of the poor is falling dramatically. However my own view is that this situation is exacerbated by the world we live in of ever increasing costs/dependencies and items which are now deemed essential. A prime example of how this affects general life is the provision of care for the elderly. We look after the accounting function of around 8-10 care homes. With the introduction of the living wage, the cost of care is skyrocketing. It's the only way the model can work. The industry is in crisis. Do the owners of these businesses want to add the EU into the mix? The answer is clear. My own simple view is that a large portion of those wanting out of the EU don't have to deal with issues such as those above. Their view is too simplistic and doesn't factor in what makes our economy tick- small businesses. Most of the owners I have spoken to don't believe that the general public (including themselves) should be able to vote on this. It's too important. I have one more yes to add to the list and one who doesn't care either way. His view is that the EU will fall apart in the medium term whether we leave or not.
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Re: in or out
[Re: jimboy]
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30/04/2016 15:08
30/04/2016 15:08
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To those who want to leave, I would just suggest that the timing is a bit awkward. Is there any burning need to leave now, or can it wait? My own perspective tells me that what we really need more than anything at the moment is economic stability. We are still crawling out of the hole of 2008/9, and a move as major as this would be extremely disruptive to that process.
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Re: in or out
[Re: jimboy]
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06/06/2016 13:18
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Re: in or out
[Re: Cooperman]
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07/06/2016 08:39
07/06/2016 08:39
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So we may have a free vote but the Tories are looking to scupper the process in the event of a majority Brexit outcome. So much for democracy! If you read the article properly, you'll see it says. . . There is a pro-Remain majority in the House of Commons of 454 MPs to 147. The BBC has learned pro-Remain MPs would use their voting power in the House of Commons to protect what they see as the economic benefits of a single market, which gives the UK access to 500 million consumers. That's made up of ALL parties. Hope that helps
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Re: in or out
[Re: Cooperman]
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07/06/2016 21:09
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So we may have a free vote but the Tories are looking to scupper the process in the event of a majority Brexit outcome. So much for democracy! They still have to get voted in next time. And the electorate don't forgive easily..
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: in or out
[Re: jimboy]
#1576540
09/06/2016 23:31
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After watching the ITV debate, my condolences go out to the good people of South Northamptonshire, Andrea Ludsom - what a relic of 1950's style condescension - I may not know much, but I know what's best for you. Good grief.
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Re: in or out
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10/06/2016 10:28
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After watching the ITV debate, my condolences go out to the good people of South Northamptonshire, Andrea Ludsom - what a relic of 1950's style condescension - I may not know much, but I know what's best for you. Good grief. Agree. What an odious woman.
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Re: in or out
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10/06/2016 11:09
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Same bias again today from BBC website.
Whereas Sarah Wollaston received headline coverage yesterday for defecting to the Remain campaign, today Labour's John Mann's decision to vote out has been give a smaller typeface headline than a warning about a possible emergency budget after Brexit and a possible new treatment for MS.
Don't know if anyone watched Question Time last night but I thought the representation by Eddie Izzard, of whose comedy I am a great fan, shot the Remain campaign in the foot - the mention of Blair on the same day might not have been very attractive to some either. And yet a campaign (an ill-fated one, as it turns out) was launched condemning the BBC's chief political reporter, Laura Kuenssberg, for anti-Labour bias and calling for her to be sacked. Damned if they do... Eddie Izzard's comedy was peerless until about 2002. It was instrumental in me meeting MrsC and I still find myself quoting from it. However, since that time, he has become so self-referential and seemingly unable to come up with decent new material that a faintly embarrassing career in politics was always likely. Good at running, mind, though perhaps not in the electoral sense. I mourn him as a great comedian.
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Re: in or out
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10/06/2016 12:40
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Same bias again today from BBC website. It's the same *every* day, in one respect or another, from the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. Especially on their "news" site. I recommend cancelling your TV license, at least then you know you're not personally financing their shit. As for the vote, I'm still undecided. Despite all the scare mongering from each side I'm slowly concluding that it won't really make all that much difference either way, as the same corporate, globalist interests will continue pulling the strings pretty much as before.
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10/06/2016 14:12
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It's the same *every* day, in one respect or another, from the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. Especially on their "news" site. I recommend cancelling your TV license, at least then you know you're not personally financing their shit. As for the vote, I'm still undecided. Despite all the scare mongering from each side I'm slowly concluding that it won't really make all that much difference either way, as the same corporate, globalist interests will continue pulling the strings pretty much as before. Exactly, the daily drip. One thing I have great difficulty with is the apparent belief that we, as UK citizens, are somehow incapable - with all our expertise in manufacturing, arts, business - of making responsible decisions for this country, and seem to be happy to delegate many of these to EU HQ in Brussels whose members are not only unknown to us but unelected. If we have any pride in our own country and citizens left, what message is this delegation of power giving to us? It's a paradox that the cavalier attitude of Westminster (as 'captain of the ship') towards Scotland over the years quietly fuelled the rise in Scottish Nationalism which has recently come to a head.
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