http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33656802

So here we go again - Indian/Pakistani groups systematically abusing girls.

At what point will the observation that such groups are usually Indian/Pakistani become politically acceptable? I for one am pretty sick of this PCitis.

Maybe its just that they've not got the friends in influential places. MPs, sitting lords, freemasons, private school staff and most of the established church (though not all) never get found out.

Its rife. Unfortunately.

I despair

But then neither have your run of the mill white chavs, and very few are bright enough to "get away with it".

Two things, before I am accused of being a PCItis merchant...

1) Correlation does not imply causation
2) The actions of a few are not indicative of the actions of the whole

I'm sure I would have heard if all those seventies DJs were Asians...

All of the above seems fine to me, except that apparently we have lost Mark.

People of all races, origins, ethnicities, etc. can be equally good or bad. I am not saying that Pakistanis or Indians are worse than anyone else. But that still leaves me with room to identify patterns of behaviour that seem more prevalent in one or another culture. Modes of abuse can vary from one to another, and in order to do something effective about them it helps to be able to identify those cultural differences.

I'm not sure where in the UK this started, but it seems to me that certain groups of Asian men have developed this modus operandi, abusing their relative invisibility to mainstream social services and cultural isolation to prey on vulnerable girls who are equally off the radar in terms of parental or other monitoring. I imagine the model has been observed and tried in other locations, seemingly - up until now - with impunity.

In the same way as paedophile rings in any culture operate, they exploit weak links in the chain of care and construct a life for the abused girls that is fiendishly hard to report believably or escape.

This makes the men actively involved deeply nasty, dangerous, exploitative bastards and it makes those aware of their activities who fail to report them shameful accessories. Clearly, the cultural dimension is undeniable, but it is being abused by the perpetrators of these crimes; it is not a part of or endemic to the culture itself. As Barnacle says, just because the Asian men found guilty of these crimes are nasty, it doesn't mean they all are; we have to be really careful about this.

As these cases are investigated and brought to light, hopefully the people on the periphery will realise that it is not acceptable (or, being cynical, not worth the risk) and they will become rarer. The danger, obviously, is that as investigation and discovery become more prevalent, the organisers will become more devious and ruthless.

Yes, I agree with all of that, except that your caution runs the risk of being overdone, with the consequence that the possibility of this modus operandi having at least some cultural roots is being ruled out of court. My feeling is that this omission, fuelled by exaggerated caution, can actually get in the way of a deeper understanding of what is going on, and how to stop it.

Brian made a valid point that in all these cases there appears to be a reluctance by the Police and social services to instigate an inquiry into allegations against these Asian gangs.

I don't believe that any normal thinking person would think these cases indicate that all moslems/Asians are paedophiles, any more than ISIS proves all moslems are terrorists.

Perhaps the initial reluctance to investigate accusations against Asians "allows" this to be an issue. Much like Catholic priests and Establishment figures were able to do so in the past. And not all Catholic priests or members of the Establishment were paedophiles either!

All good points, Enforcer and RK.

I must have worded it wrongly

Indeed - agreeing with all three here... There are certainly cultural influences within the Asian communities which would, I suspect, encourage this behaviour (the whole 'honour killing' thing shows that women and particularly girls are still widely considered as chattels, property).

And further, if one is inclined to such behaviour, the one is probably likely to seek out people similarly inclined within one's own community. Which leads of course, to the Asian gangs.

That's something that needs discussion and investigation by the temporal powers; allowing 'cultural differences' and 'religious differences' (not that I link the two here except to point out that others inevitably will) to trump police investigation is a bad thing.

But still - not all Asians are members of abusive gangs, just as not all Moslems are terrorists or sympathisers, and it's likely that many of both have views as antithetical as you or I might have.

I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise, Neil.

The trend continues!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-35524340

Noted

And look at what's happening around Europe where mass immigration has been welcomed - they're regretting it now.....as we will if we allow it to happen

It's already happening.

All part of the plan

• The Coudenhove-Kalergi plan
• The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
• The Oded Yinon plan

oh not that again.

Not forgetting

- The My Lord I have a Cunning plan
- The 9 from Outer Space plan
- The Leaving on a Jet plan
- The Sofa from G plan
- The Profiteroles with boulders of ice cream on

And a word on the subject of conspiracies from our very own AndrewR:

https://excelpope.wordpress.com/2016/02/05/so-you-want-to-be-a-conspiracy-theorist/

I used to think that that Andrew knew stuff - seems he's just like all the other sheeple. Huh, wake up Andy!

Not keen on the sofas but those G-plan coffee tables are the kewlest. Smokin' glass.

The famous anarchist, Alan Moore, had this to say regarding the conspiracy.



I tend to agree with the idea that people cling on to a conspiracy because the truth is far less comforting.

Alan once also had this to say on anarchy,



Which appears to contradict his conspiracy / rudderless conclusion

This is just what they would expect you to believe!

But seriously, it surely can't be true, can it? There are some very powerful people in the world, and where there is power there is generally control.