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60-100mph times
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12/03/2015 11:27
12/03/2015 11:27
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fiatphil
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Has anyone got any 60-100 times for their Coupes? Any stage of tune will do. I'm after 60-100 from a rolling start as I think this is where true power is measured. I've never been one for drag racing or 1/4 mile standing starts kills clutches and there aren't to many places to put this into practice these days. Video of one of my motors with a 19t turbo flitted below. B204 19t 60-100: https://youtu.be/cNsRHBu-g0cThat was with a base map and it ended up with a recorded time of 5.4 seconds iirc. Some folks have done it in 4 seconds with gt3071/76 turbos. So what times we got????
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Re: 60-100mph times
[Re: Nigel]
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12/03/2015 13:32
12/03/2015 13:32
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fiatphil
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Estimated figure from Trappy's stats for my car is 3.86 seconds (and 8.23 for 60-130)
However, his estimated stats are fairly accurate for my quarter mile figures (my best is 12.39 against Trappy's calculation of 12.8), so I'm inclined to believe they're in the right ball-park That's immense. If that 60-100 figure is based on a 0-100 run then youll be even quicker just dropping a cog and mashing the throttle. Thanks Nigel. 60-100 times should be in the coupés favor because of the gearing so I reckon we should see some great times.
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Re: 60-100mph times
[Re: Nigel]
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12/03/2015 15:27
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Estimated figure from Trappy's stats for my car is 3.86 seconds (and 8.23 for 60-130) However, his estimated stats are fairly accurate for my quarter mile figures (my best is 12.39 against Trappy's calculation of 12.8), so I'm inclined to believe they're in the right ball-park My calculator has come a long way since then In fact I’ve been working on a data sheet that can be posted up as an image. Here’s the print of two data sets using the FC dyno print from your old spec (which I believe is the set up that ran the 12.39s). The only difference in input (left hand column) is the road vs drag strip surface the car is launched on. http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/Chipdy/Calculated%20runs/Nigel%20457%20Drag.png http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/Chipdy/Calculated%20runs/Nigel%20457%20Road.png
Last edited by nismo; 12/03/2015 15:55. Reason: removed imgpop
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Re: 60-100mph times
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#1529408
12/03/2015 15:48
12/03/2015 15:48
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Jonscoupe
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I've never recorded any times but I know it's quick and the coupe will do a ton in 3rd but I find 4th is quick enough and saves a bit of wear and tear on the motor
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Re: 60-100mph times
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12/03/2015 15:57
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Gotta be the imgpop implementation. that it is , have removed the imgpop on trappy's post and it now show's all the info .
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Re: 60-100mph times
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#1529414
12/03/2015 16:37
12/03/2015 16:37
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I'm on a track day soon so will try to time some speeds and post it up along with my spec.
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Re: 60-100mph times
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12/03/2015 17:29
12/03/2015 17:29
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Gotta be the imgpop implementation. that it is , have removed the imgpop on trappy's post and it now show's all the info . Thanks for that, Nismo
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Re: 60-100mph times
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12/03/2015 17:41
12/03/2015 17:41
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the 12.4 drag strip quarter mile time is amazingly accurate, but a few comments:-
1) the 457bhp spec was in my old Sprinty when I did my 12.39, but I was about 50-75kg stripped out
2) I'm now running more power, by about 30bhp (regardless of whether I was actually running 457 back then, I'm definitely running more than I was)
3) Why am I changing up at 7k rpm? - Rev limit is 7400 - 7500, so when really going for it, I run it to the limiter in order to keep the revs up post gearchange
4) Top speed appears to be down compared with earlier calcs (not that I ever expect to get anywhere near them, although I really fancy a run at a VMax event, just to see what it'll do)
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Re: 60-100mph times
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#1529428
12/03/2015 17:46
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RAF Marham track day has an excellent Vmax strip. Its a good cheap, safe weekend. Worst you can do is get a cone wedged in your grill or arch.
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Re: 60-100mph times
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12/03/2015 19:45
12/03/2015 19:45
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I have only 80-120kmph figure on 4th gear - 7s which is quite good for NA engine with powerband 5500-8000rpm here is comparison with civic vti at 1/4track, and further 1km track... video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbovrUWn8MEtimes were: 1/4.. 14.4s (153kmph) 1km.. 26s (200kmph) But now, with new exhaust and ecu, and few other bits( CrMo flywheel, 230mm clutch, shorter final drive) are the values lower... 1/4 mile is now under 14s region
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Re: 60-100mph times
[Re: Nigel]
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13/03/2015 09:40
13/03/2015 09:40
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the 12.4 drag strip quarter mile time is amazingly accurate, but a few comments:- 1) the 457bhp spec was in my old Sprinty when I did my 12.39, but I was about 50-75kg stripped out
OK, I’ll make the 75kgs amendment and see what happens… 2) I'm now running more power, by about 30bhp (regardless of whether I was actually running 457 back then, I'm definitely running more than I was)
I used the 457bhp dyno as I knew that’s what you were running when you did your best ¼. 3) Why am I changing up at 7k rpm? - Rev limit is 7400 - 7500, so when really going for it, I run it to the limiter in order to keep the revs up post gearchange
Hmmm… I seem to recall your old dyno plot stopping at 7,000rpm so figured it was limited there. What was the limit on the old spec as I thought you had it extended when the new turbo went on? 4) Top speed appears to be down compared with earlier calcs (not that I ever expect to get anywhere near them, although I really fancy a run at a VMax event, just to see what it'll do)
That would be because of the rpm limit. The last times I gave you were for the 488bhp with 7,400rpm limit. Confirm the old rpm limit and I’ll run it again
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Re: 60-100mph times
[Re: Nigel]
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13/03/2015 17:29
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Here are the numbers for your drag run at 75kgs lighter with 457bhp.
Nigel 457bhp 1325kgs 0-10mph: 0.7 0-20mph: 1.37 0-30mph: 2.1 0-40mph: 2.82 0-50mph: 3.84 0-60mph: 4.57 0-70mph: 5.6 0-80mph: 6.5 0-90mph: 7.4 0-100mph: 8.37 0-110mph: 9.91 0-120mph: 11.24 0-130mph: 12.73 0-140mph: 14.94 0-150mph: 17.12 0-160mph: 19.68 0-170mph: 23.29 0-180mph: 27.77 0-190mph: 35.28
Top Speed (mph): 190.9 Top Speed (rpm): 7000 60-100mph: 3.8
60ft Time: 2.35 60ft Terminal: 33.4 330ft Time: 5.77 330ft Terminal: 71.8 1/8 Mile Time: 8.39 1/8 Mile Terminal: 100.2 1000ft Time: 10.49 1000ft Terminal: 114.4 1/4 Mile Time: 12.34 1/4 Mile Terminal: 127.5 0-400m Time: 12.3 0-400m Terminal: 127.3 1km Time: 21.36 1km Terminal: 165.4 3/4 Mile Time: 24.1 3/4 Mile Terminal: 172.1 1 Mile Time: 29.17 1 Mile Terminal: 182.5 2 Mile Time: 48.16 2 Mile Terminal: 190.9
It's be interesting to see your timeslip again for comparison
For reference, here are the drag strip numbers for your car with the current engine at 488hp and 7,400rpm limit.
Nigel 488bhp 1325kgs 0-10mph: 0.7 0-20mph: 1.37 0-30mph: 2.1 0-40mph: 2.82 0-50mph: 3.84 0-60mph: 4.56 0-70mph: 5.28 0-80mph: 6.45 0-90mph: 7.38 0-100mph: 8.34 0-110mph: 9.74 0-120mph: 11.12 0-130mph: 12.6 0-140mph: 14.25 0-150mph: 16.74 0-160mph: 19.34 0-170mph: 22.41 0-180mph: 26.34 0-190mph: 32.9 0-200mph: 44.44 Top Speed (mph): 201.8 Top Speed (rpm): 7399 60-100mph: 3.8
60ft Time: 2.35 60ft Terminal: 33.4 330ft Time: 5.74 330ft Terminal: 73.6 1/8 Mile Time: 8.36 1/8 Mile Terminal: 100.2 1000ft Time: 10.43 1000ft Terminal: 115.1 1/4 Mile Time: 12.28 1/4 Mile Terminal: 127.9 0-400m Time: 12.24 0-400m Terminal: 127.7 1km Time: 21.22 1km Terminal: 166.3 3/4 Mile Time: 23.93 3/4 Mile Terminal: 174.3 1 Mile Time: 28.94 1 Mile Terminal: 184.2 2 Mile Time: 47.41 2 Mile Terminal: 201.4
It would appear that any gain from the extra bhp at the top is negated somewhat by the additional poke your old spec had when first changing up through the gears.
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Re: 60-100mph times
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13/03/2015 21:43
13/03/2015 21:43
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I agree that the old car was quicker off the mark and through the mid-range I'll dig out the timing slip for info - one that springs to mind is a 2.01 60-foot time EDIT - closer to 2.02 than 2.01, but still decent....
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Re: 60-100mph times
[Re: Nigel]
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16/03/2015 10:08
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I agree that the old car was quicker off the mark and through the mid-range I'll dig out the timing slip for info - one that springs to mind is a 2.01 60-foot time EDIT - closer to 2.02 than 2.01, but still decent.... Right then, clearly my calculator is MILES out! The launch is far too slow and the terminals are too high. I need to do some work on it! What tyres were you using for that run?
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Re: 60-100mph times
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16/03/2015 11:37
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Has anyone got any 60-100 times for their Coupes? Any stage of tune will do. I'm after 60-100 from a rolling start as I think this is where true power is measured. I've never been one for drag racing or 1/4 mile standing starts kills clutches and there aren't to many places to put this into practice these days. Video of one of my motors with a 19t turbo flitted below. B204 19t 60-100: https://youtu.be/cNsRHBu-g0cThat was with a base map and it ended up with a recorded time of 5.4 seconds iirc. Some folks have done it in 4 seconds with gt3071/76 turbos. So what times we got???? Not sure if this helps, but here's mine, a rolling start from 30mph onwards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsr_DuMEX0g
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Re: 60-100mph times
[Re: Begbie]
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30/03/2015 07:05
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fiatphil
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Has anyone got any 60-100 times for their Coupes? Any stage of tune will do. I'm after 60-100 from a rolling start as I think this is where true power is measured. I've never been one for drag racing or 1/4 mile standing starts kills clutches and there aren't to many places to put this into practice these days. Video of one of my motors with a 19t turbo flitted below. B204 19t 60-100: https://youtu.be/cNsRHBu-g0cThat was with a base map and it ended up with a recorded time of 5.4 seconds iirc. Some folks have done it in 4 seconds with gt3071/76 turbos. So what times we got???? Not sure if this helps, but here's mine, a rolling start from 30mph onwards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsr_DuMEX0g Nice one. Still determined to get a time for mine before live map, fuel pump wiring mod and FMIC and after.
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Re: 60-100mph times
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#1536294
02/05/2015 11:22
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Will up load the video later but done a few 60-100 mph pulls on a private test track this morning a recorded a very repeatable time of 5.6 seconds which I'm very pleased with. I can see why these cars are so quick around these speeds. My car is very quick from 60-80 but then struggles a bit to get to the ton. Having said that its only a bit slower than my earlier video of my old Saab 9-3 with a 19t turbo. This car keeps on giving
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Re: 60-100mph times
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02/05/2015 12:34
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Here's the video. Timed on movie maker and with a good old fashioned stop watch to 5.5/5.6 seconds. https://youtu.be/tQEg2l5nZAEAnyone got any standard Coupé times?
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Re: 60-100mph times
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02/05/2015 14:05
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Can I just ask, what is the interest in 60-100mph? I get 0-60, I get 0-150, I get 0-150-0 but not 60-100, its completely irrelevant Phil? That's why there's no data on it,
When was the last time after telling people you have a 290hp car, someone said, "Oh, what's the 60-100 time?"
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Re: 60-100mph times
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02/05/2015 15:07
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Can I just ask, what is the interest in 60-100mph? I get 0-60, I get 0-150, I get 0-150-0 but not 60-100, its completely irrelevant Phil? That's why there's no data on it,
When was the last time after telling people you have a 290hp car, someone said, "Oh, what's the 60-100 time?"
;);) Thought I covered this in the OP. Its not irrelevant to me. The petrol heads I associate with are more interested in 60-100 times too.
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