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Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1529465
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Coogan makes some good points. There is a tendency to make light of underlying prejudice and make it into a joke.

I did think he contradicted himself about TG using stereotypes, when he himself says:

"I can tell you from my own experience, living in the US, Mexicans work themselves to the bone doing all the dirty thankless jobs that the white middle-class natives won't do."

He may have good intentions, but this in itself is a stereotype, and does nothing to dispel the idea that Mexicans are down at heal slaves to the middle classes.

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David Cameron is sticking his neck out a long way it appears....dangerous to get involved I would say.


Nah it's not like there is any history of any outspoken Yorkshire BBC personality having friendship and support from a number 10 incumbent is there?

Oh hang on...


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Re: new series of top gear [Re: Gripped] #1529472
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Originally Posted By: Gripped
Coogan makes some good points. There is a tendency to make light of underlying prejudice and make it into a joke.

I did think he contradicted himself about TG using stereotypes, when he himself says:

"I can tell you from my own experience, living in the US, Mexicans work themselves to the bone doing all the dirty thankless jobs that the white middle-class natives won't do."

He may have good intentions, but this in itself is a stereotype, and does nothing to dispel the idea that Mexicans are down at heal slaves to the middle classes.


I didn't read it like that at all. I think he was saying that rather than being feckless and lazy, it is Mexicans that do all the hard and dirty jobs. I don't think he intimates that all Mexicans do that or that's the only thing Mexicans do, rather that Mexicans are prepared to work harder than the typical US middle classes. If anything it is they, the Middle classes, who are being stereotyped.

Re: new series of top gear [Re: MeanRedSpider] #1529473
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Originally Posted By: MeanRedSpider


I didn't read it like that at all. I think he was saying that rather than being feckless and lazy, it is Mexicans that do all the hard and dirty jobs. I don't think he intimates that all Mexicans do that or that's the only thing Mexicans do, rather that Mexicans are prepared to work harder than the typical US middle classes. If anything it is they, the Middle classes, who are being stereotyped.



I wouldn't understand. I am white, middle aged, hetero and male... and middle class !! wink

Re: new series of top gear [Re: Gripped] #1529577
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Clarkson should have just got in his helicopter and gone to the chip shop like any normal person would have done.

Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530056
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so looks like Guy Martin is to replace Clarkson on topgear .

Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530058
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Well, according to the Grimsby and Scunthorpe Telegraph...

Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530059
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Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530125
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Top Gear won't be shown this coming Sunday neither frown

Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530134
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I'm just trying to imagine GM doing it...

"Right, right, yeah, proper job, really nice that, proper! And you, thingie, Stig, get that helmet off and let's have a look at your face."


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Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530138
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He'd only appear on TG if they changed the format to include Volvo trucks.

Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530139
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A petrolhead like Rowan Atkinson who can also continuously develop the comedy/entertainment content would be the direction I would like to see.


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Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530142
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IIRC, Rowan Atkinson is painfully shy outside of his on-screen characters - an "unscripted" magazine show probably wouldn't work well with him, despite his petrolhead qualifications

Chris Evans would be the obvious male choice - I really like Guy Martin, but I don't think it would work

Still think Jodie Kidd would be worth a try.... love


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Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530144
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Part of the problem with Rowan Atkinson may be that (according to a few people I know who have worked with him), he is pretty unspeakable.

I still don't see why you would want to try and parachute another person into a role that is already being questioned. Why not try to imagine a new show entirely, that is better than Top Gear?
The bits already filmed will emerge at some point in some guise, there's no need to stick to the same format.

I think it's really exciting that we might finally be allowed to think about replacing something that was regarded as untouchable. It's a massive opportunity. If I was a commissioning person at the BBC, I'd be finding out about the possibility of "Pistonheads - the TV show" (Shed of the Week, Smoker Barges, all the favourites). You'd have plenty of entertainment and all of it car-related.

Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530154
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TG is a sort-of Hollywood for cars. It revolves around motoring jewellery.

Going the "Pistonhead TV" route has the associated danger of returning TG to a more normal car program which is what most TG fans don't seem to want.

On German TV, we get a lot of this type of "please all" programs, some with a more serious bent and others being more a more TG comedy copy. Many of the programs also look into used bargains, collectors cars, etc. Good if you like what they are reviewing at the time, but dull if they are comparing used, budget, mini people carriers!

Also, car programs around the world seem to be of a much higher standard these days and I think the BBC probably has to be given a lot of credit for its filming standards. The basic direction of TG is not that bad, but it is too rigid and has become stale. Apart from the filming, which is not so unique anymore, TG does not come across as a better standard of TV today. New blood could well return it to being good again.


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Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530177
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Don't think anybody can replace clarkson! Let's be honest if you like top gear you are generally entertained by the laddish banter that goes on and the amazing road trips
Clarkson can come across as a clown at times but there is usually a serious twist to him on car reviews and contrary to what has been said previously I think he comes across really well on the road trips and documentaries with a factual but fun manner
The Falklands road trip for one was brilliant anyway enough said on clarkson

Nobody can fill his shoes Guy as nice as he is would drown trying to fill the roll he just does not seem to have the ability to be nasty to anybody in a funny way!
there is only one Jeremy clarkson and anybody that tries to fill that roll
would only be imitating clarkson

So the best way forward for me is for the 3 of them to quit and start up on a different channel and let the bbc go back to the likes of tiff! Oh my god!
Anyway not sure if clarkson is hinting at quitting his style of entertainment or just quitting the bbc
Hope he comes back somewhere and yes I suppose adverts would be annoying but looks like that's the only option I can see!

Re: new series of top gear [Re: H_R] #1530193
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Originally Posted By: H_R
Don't think anybody can replace clarkson! Let's be honest if you like top gear you are generally entertained by the laddish banter that goes on and the amazing road trips
Clarkson can come across as a clown at times but there is usually a serious twist to him on car reviews and contrary to what has been said previously I think he comes across really well on the road trips and documentaries with a factual but fun manner
The Falklands road trip for one was brilliant anyway enough said on clarkson

Nobody can fill his shoes Guy as nice as he is would drown trying to fill the roll he just does not seem to have the ability to be nasty to anybody in a funny way!
there is only one Jeremy clarkson and anybody that tries to fill that roll
would only be imitating clarkson

So the best way forward for me is for the 3 of them to quit and start up on a different channel and let the bbc go back to the likes of tiff! Oh my god!
Anyway not sure if clarkson is hinting at quitting his style of entertainment or just quitting the bbc
Hope he comes back somewhere and yes I suppose adverts would be annoying but looks like that's the only option I can see!


Nail firmly on the head. NEVER in the month of Sundays are you going to replicate Clarksons shenanigans or even come close with anyone else in a similar set up...FACT.

Top Gear is dead when Jeremy walks...End of. There was a tiny bit of the boy still in me that thought this was indeed a big advertising scam, but.....

Like it or not the Top Gear setup as it was will cease. As H_R says only way forward for the three TG chaps is another channel to even come near to pleasing the fans.


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Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530209
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The fact that Clarkson himself apparently reported the confrontation shortly before his contract was due to expire, suggests that he may have been looking for a way to get out of Top Gear without letting his fans know that he was bored with it.

He has made his millions out of it and "Just look - The nasty old BBC have kicked me out and ruined all my fans' viewing time"

And "Sorry Hammond and Mays but the BBC have killed your jobs off when they fired me."

I have been accused of cynicism before.


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Re: new series of top gear [Re: PeteP] #1530212
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Originally Posted By: PeteP
The fact that Clarkson himself apparently reported the confrontation shortly before his contract was due to expire, suggests that he may have been looking for a way to get out of Top Gear without letting his fans know that he was bored with it.

He has made his millions out of it and "Just look - The nasty old BBC have kicked me out and ruined all my fans' viewing time"

And "Sorry Hammond and Mays but the BBC have killed your jobs off when they fired me."

I have been accused of cynicism before.


Bored, or, as I said, embarking on a political career!

Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530222
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The USA had Arnie, the UK have Clarkson!

Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530225
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More likely, reporting it yourself goes to your credit.

Of interest is that the punchbag is not saying very much, and what is said is via a lawyer.


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Originally Posted By: Emjay

Of interest is that the punchbag is not saying very much, and what is said is via a lawyer.


Yes, I noticed that. Some time-biding going on...?

Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530238
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I've looked up the punch bag, but came up with limited information about him. Where did he come from & what has he done?

I know this has no basis but his photograph of late makes him look a bit odd.


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I hope TG isn't cancelled. Where else are we going to see a P1, 918 and La Ferrari showdown frown

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Just for the hell of it..... A million & still counting, a stig in a tank, all for Jeremy. Well it really doesn't matter what you think about Top Gear, fans of the show their strength.

Can't remember such a strong following from the general TV watching public for a show never mind a fuel filled lads mag type one. Has to count for something..... driving


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Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1530741
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The issue the BBC now have is they are screwed either way. Being seen to let him off and they will criticised. And likewise if they punish him.

The more i see of the more i agree its JC plan.

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I have a cunning plan my Lord..


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Is it 'As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?'

Re: new series of top gear [Re: ] #1531218
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Clarkson to run for Mayor of London

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