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Re: Dodgy household wiring problem. Ideas?
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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17/12/2013 16:16
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Here is my reply:
"As suggested by your electrician, I've tried taking all the bulbs out of the lights in the dining room, then replacing them with filament bulbs. I've also had the Virgin box replaced (the new one installed and checked by the Virgin engineer, who says it is working fine). Neither has cured the problem. In fact, as I reported, the socket did trip the RCD when I plugged the iron in. Again, it could be the iron as well.
Of course it is possible that it is our equipment that is at fault, but I've replaced all the bits that the electrician suggested and the fault is still there. I've spoken to friends that are NICEIC, ELECSA or NAPIT registered electricians and they all say that there could be a dangerous problem. There might not be, but there could be.
I'm not an electrician, but something isn't right with the electrics, so what am I supposed to do? Every time I switch the light on or off or draw power from the socket, the TV cuts off then comes on again and it shouldn't do that.
I feel as though your electrical contractors are dismissing the problem and for some reason are reluctant to test the wiring.
I'm really not trying to be difficult, but would you be happy living in a house with your family where every night before going to bed, you switch off the light and it makes you wonder if it's safe? It does worry me and I don't think that's fair or right.
I think it would be worthwhile carrying out a little more in-depth research, even if all it uncovers is that all our electrical equipment is faulty and the wiring in the house is fine. At least I could replace it and know the problem would be solved."
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Re: Dodgy household wiring problem. Ideas?
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17/12/2013 17:46
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Jim, I salute your softly softly approach, but frankly the quote from them you posted at 1345 is gobbledegook.
IMHO you are best going in person if possible and raising hell even if it's not in your nature as this could be a safety issue. You are paying for conditions which you're not getting furthermore. There's probably a head office or better, an organisation which monitors this sort of stuff - is there such a thing as CAB left?
I don't know how old your kids are but from personal experience when they're still young and under the eagle eye of a health visitor they are the ones with clout and will get things done immediately.
You have more than demonstrated your reasonableness but it sounds like they aren't taking it seriously.
Even if it doesn't sit well with you, a few well-directed um, "threats" now are what's needed to kick-ass!
Edit: It doesn't sound like you have nearly enough current being drawn from your sockets to cause the problem. Even if it was a spur, not part of a ring main, you'd need to have an iron and other heavy duty appliances running concurrently to cause a cable or socket to overheat and/or cause instability.
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Re: Dodgy household wiring problem. Ideas?
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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17/12/2013 17:55
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I had a problem with my electrics. When the ring main was under load the RCD would trip. I traced the fault to one of the plug sockets. Inside there was a cobweb.
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Re: Dodgy household wiring problem. Ideas?
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17/12/2013 19:29
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I had a problem with my electrics. When the ring main was under load the RCD would trip. I traced the fault to one of the plug sockets. Inside there was a cobweb. See, we're just hopeless at housework.
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Re: Dodgy household wiring problem. Ideas?
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17/12/2013 19:30
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Thanks Edinburgh. The above is my final "do I have to spell out environmental health?" email. Compared with our last house, this is chicken feed. MrsC and I are slowly wheeling the cannon into place. If we don't get a satisfactory answer it's all going to get much nastier. But I prefer to allow people the chance to let their better side intervene... Let us know when the sparks begin to fly..
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Re: Dodgy household wiring problem. Ideas?
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18/12/2013 11:05
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My oven has taken to going into thermal shutdown at anything over 200 degrees. Something of an annoyance since it's marked to 250 and I want to bake at 220... Is it a Smeg per chance?
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Re: Dodgy household wiring problem. Ideas?
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19/12/2013 00:12
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Could well be a loose neutral connection inside the db. I've seen a few neutral faults manifest themselves in weird ways.
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Re: Dodgy household wiring problem. Ideas?
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19/12/2013 10:25
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Well, the electrician (a proper one) plus two assistants spent about 3 hours at our house yesterday and they have found out a number of things...
Firstly, the fused switch next to the sockets in the dining room is connected not only to the sockets, but also - the lights...! Apparently, this is common practice in conservatories, which the dining room sort-of is (glass roof between 2 walls. The sockets in the dining room are on the opposite side of the same wall as the sockets powering the TV, etc, less than 3ft apart.
This explains why the light switch is able to have an effect on the sockets, though he changed the switch just in case.
It seems that Virgin Cable TV boxes (produced by Samsung) have a reputation for being appallingly cheaply and badly made. I can fully endorse this view, as we have had 4 boxes since we first took Virgin cable in 2011. One issue is that to save money, they do not fit a supressor, rendering the box susceptible to interference. I've no idea if this is true, but it could be. The electrician is going to recommend the fitment of a supressor to the socket. He also said that we have quite a lot of appliances connected to not many sockets. This is true, but several are not switched on and most do not draw much current. To be exact, in one pair of sockets we have a 4-socket multi bar with the TV (a 32" LED), DVD, VCR and A/V receiver in one. DVD and VCR rarely on. The other socket of the pair has the Virgin box, the Broadband router and a mains-based broadband extender. In 2 other sockets further away are the NAS and the subwoofer (1 socket each). We could look at moving things, but the TV based equipment AND the Broadband-related stuff really need to be within easy reach of the BB cable entry point.
The low energy bulbs were mentioned again. Apparently, the components in cheap bulbs (capacitors?) can malfunction and cause a power drain/interference. Especially with the connection to the sockets.
Anyway, long story short, it's not fixed, but at least we feel the electrician looked long and hard and actually did a proper job. He is going to try and fit a supressor which should help (though he stressed it wasn't a certainty). He reassured us that it is not a dangerous situation, with no shorting going on.
We will see if the supressor cures it, if not, might have to plug the Virgin box in elsewhere and run an extension.
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Re: Dodgy household wiring problem. Ideas?
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19/12/2013 17:09
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Ok, as an "extension" the dining room has been supplied by power tapped off the socket circuit for minimum hassle, and fused just in case. For convenience it supplies the lighting also. It explains the interaction at least! The nuisance features hopefully can be sorted - it's just a shame that one apparently labour-saving operation has spawned several time-consuming ones Glad it's being progressed at last
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Re: Dodgy household wiring problem. Ideas?
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19/12/2013 17:33
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Ironic that the old trades of plumbers and sparks have never been so well off. Wonder if any of them can bat As future grandparents Jim (don't want to cause premature greying) we will be held as people of stature, nay, wizards even who can help them out when the hale bloomin' www. gets eaten by a genetically modified rat.
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