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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
#1451718
06/10/2013 21:45
06/10/2013 21:45
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Far from the worst race of the year, way better than Singapore, but this feels like comparing the best dog turds you've ever stepped in.
Sadly it appears nobody else is even in contention this year. Please let there be a contest next year.
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
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07/10/2013 17:47
07/10/2013 17:47
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or,
de-regulate and let the cars evolve with no limits.
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
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07/10/2013 18:09
07/10/2013 18:09
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or,
de-regulate and let the cars evolve with no limits. Unfortunately that was what was allowed to happen from the 50's to the 70's and driver mortality was horrendous.
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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07/10/2013 21:24
07/10/2013 21:24
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Simple solution. Webber should mess with sebs car and then punch him, on the nose. That may resolve some issues. Furthermore, hulkenburg should be given a proper car and someone at Ferrari needs to start leaving horses heads around key persons to ensure not only someone puts effort in on their car but others (redbull) stop being so damn good!
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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07/10/2013 21:43
07/10/2013 21:43
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Sadly F1 is currently in bad place. I've followed it avidly since the Hunt and Lauda era, wasting many a Sunday afternoon! During most of that time a strong British interest, be it either driver or car, has always helped. Thinking back, I loved it when Williams came to the fore, with Alan Jones and the Leyland/Saudi sponsorship era suggested the British car industry might still have a good future!!! Senna and Mansell, Hill v Schumacher, tells me F1 lacks a real intense rivalry with two equally matched drivers, from differing teams and philosophies? I must go and see the Hunt/Lauda film, is it any good?
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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07/10/2013 22:05
07/10/2013 22:05
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Seeing Adrian driving a Ford Le mans GT40 would suggest you may have your wish!!! Only joking Adrian, great to see you sharing your pride and joy with the public!
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: Brilly1uk]
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08/10/2013 05:48
08/10/2013 05:48
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I must go and see the Hunt/Lauda film, is it any good?
Yes. But you'll come away disappointed at how joyless the present F1 is...
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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08/10/2013 08:11
08/10/2013 08:11
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It's easy to see the history of F1 through rose-tinted spectacles. It wasn't Villeneuve - v - Arnoux every race and the Schumacher-dominated years tried my patience to the limit. It's bad for the show when anyone dominates absolutely, be it Williams, McLaren, Ferrari or Red Bull. For those that can remember that far back, JPS Lotus, Brabham and Tyrell also had their moment in the sun. Part of the problem for the sport as it is now run is that it relies on bringing in money for the shareholders to the exclusion of other considerations. This leaves poor Bernie (aaah, the little lamb!) struggling to keep up the cashflow in the face of pesky engineers exploiting the rules too well (I'm looking at you, Adrian). There were a number of rule changes designed to end Schumacher's rule and I imagine everyone in the pitlane (bar one garage) and beyond has their fingers crossed in the hopes that Newey & co have got their sums wrong for next year. As Gary Anderson said in his BBC column, this is not likely to be an effective strategy!
I worry that in between the "ban all aero" and "free development" arguments, we end up exactly where we are now.
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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08/10/2013 08:27
08/10/2013 08:27
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One identical chassis for everyone, fixed wings and just a space for there own engine.
Sounds simple but....
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: mikndo69]
#1451991
08/10/2013 08:51
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One identical chassis for everyone, fixed wings and just a space for there own engine.
Sounds simple but.... That sounds like the A1 GP which is where now?
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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08/10/2013 14:33
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Another nonsense is the minimum weight rule that could cost taller, heavier drivers a seat, despite their being more talented than a smaller, lighter rival. How is that sensible? Any sport that discriminates against its participants is preposterous. In horseracing, jockeys are small, but horses are the size they are, like humans. I understand that some people have a more suitable build, but it shouldn't rule out a-typical individuals. In motor racing, we decide what size to make the cars, so it shouldn't have any effect! I also think basketball is ridiculous for the same reason. The average height in the NBA is over 6'7". If you have to be a freak to play a sport, there's something wrong with the rules.
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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08/10/2013 14:49
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If you have to be a freak to play a sport, there's something wrong with the rules. Well thats pretty much most sportsmen/women and most sports then. All sports have limitations or pre-requisites to compete at the top level be it size, speed, strength, endurance, height, weight, or any other attribute. In horse racing wouldn't the horses be analogous to a car not a driver?
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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08/10/2013 15:22
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There's nothing wrong with a predisposition and to be part of an élite in any domain, you need to be specialised, but you don't need to be freakishly tall/short/heavy/light to play football or tennis to a top level or be a track and field athlete (perhaps high jumpers excepted) or a cyclist. Yes, be *more* something, but not extreme. I was making the horse analogous to the car, but I qualified it by saying that horses are not (entirely) the result of man's design, whereas cars are, so I can sort of understand why jockeys need to be smaller, as you can't just build horses bigger. Sorry if it wasn't clear, I was writing an email at the same time. Multi-tasking - there's another thing...
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
[Re: Begbie]
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08/10/2013 20:40
08/10/2013 20:40
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One identical chassis for everyone, fixed wings and just a space for there own engine.
Sounds simple but.... That sounds like the A1 GP which is where now? Went to see the first ever A1 GP race at Brands. I bloody loved it, especially taking the micky out of all the Dutch fans
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
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09/10/2013 20:11
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The sort of loose change Button picks up doing ads for Santander?
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
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10/10/2013 19:28
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I wonder, with all of the people crying foul over the performance of the Pirelli tyres and the drivers complaining at how they have to nurse them, I can only imagine all of the moaning that will be generated next year with the 2014 regs.
The cars will have their fuel capacity cut by over a third to 100kg, which means the drivers will be into economy mode as soon as the lights go out. They will be driving to preserve a resource, just like this year. Except instead of tyres, the biggest limiting factor will be fuel. I can picture the quotes now: "this isn't real racing", "we cannot push 100% for the whole race", "I'm useless at using my brain and driving tactically", blah, blah.
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Re: Official Korean F1 Grand Prix 2013
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11/10/2013 08:16
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I wonder, with all of the people crying foul over the performance of the Pirelli tyres and the drivers complaining at how they have to nurse them, I can only imagine all of the moaning that will be generated next year with the 2014 regs.
The cars will have their fuel capacity cut by over a third to 100kg, which means the drivers will be into economy mode as soon as the lights go out. They will be driving to preserve a resource, just like this year. Except instead of tyres, the biggest limiting factor will be fuel. I can picture the quotes now: "this isn't real racing", "we cannot push 100% for the whole race", "I'm useless at using my brain and driving tactically", blah, blah. Don't forget with the new fuel regs the engines will only be going to 15000rpm, so I would imagine the fuel saved from the extra 3000rpm will make a difference, but a 40KG difference? Who knows.
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