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18 " alloys
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29/06/2006 18:17
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What offset would i be looking at to get a set of 18's on a 20VT.
Would consider spacers to get over the calipers.
Doesnt seem to be many options for the 20VT.
Anyone any ideas? After some different rims...
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Re: 18 " alloys
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29/06/2006 18:37
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Do a search on here. There are now numerous posts on wheels and tyres. You're bound to find what you're looking for. 
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Re: 18 " alloys
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29/06/2006 19:06
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Re: 18 " alloys
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30/06/2006 17:56
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Cheers Clark!
What are wobbly bolts tho???
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Re: 18 " alloys
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30/06/2006 23:23
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they are bolts where the bit you put the socket on moves slightly, i have them on my car.
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Re: 18 " alloys
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01/07/2006 16:08
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they are bolts where the bit you put the socket on moves slightly, i have them on my car.
so it allows you to fit 100mm pcd rims on 98mm pcd hubs 
Kev
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Re: 18 " alloys
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02/07/2006 19:28
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it is more to do with the design of the whhel, and the design of the spokes that makes life difficult, not really the offset if you see what i mean. prorace do offsets from 0 to 50+ i thik on alot of their designs and still only 1 or 2 fit correctly
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Re: 18 " alloys
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02/07/2006 19:52
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The only way to assure fitment is to either offer up the wheel itself, or choose a wheel that is already used by members on the List of Wheels thread. Guessing changes to offset will not work as the offset will not affect whether or not the spokes clear the calipers - it's the design of the wheel that counts. Hamster
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Re: 18 " alloys
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03/07/2006 05:11
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reza send me a link showing these wheels on your Coupe so I can add them to the list of wheels thread please
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Re: 18 " alloys
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04/07/2006 19:26
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My Dare V5s are ET 25 with PCD 4x98. They sent them with ET 30 which didn't clear the brembos so had to be returned to get the ET25 needed. However as previously said the design of the spokes plays a big part in whether a wheel will fit.
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Re: 18 " alloys
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05/07/2006 05:05
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Reza, Aren't they Azev M's that were on Rog's car???
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Re: 18 " alloys
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05/07/2006 21:41
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ok, but what i meant is wheels that fit with spacers, i think its hamsters with the wolfrace twinblades , had to use a 3mm spacer to clear the brembos , what i meant is could the off set be reduced by 3mm to clear the brembos to save the use of spacers? i am right that the lower offset would move the wheel out more? G
The offset is the distance from the centerline of the wheel to the hub face. So yes, the lower it is, the further the wheels will "move out".
This also means the offset cannot be reduced (you can increase it, as I have done this myself on another car and aftermarket wheels) as you'd need to put more material on the hub face, hence the need for spacers.
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Re: 18 " alloys
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07/07/2006 12:51
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The offset is the distance from the centerline of the wheel to the hub face. So yes, the lower it is, the further the wheels will "move out".
This also means the offset cannot be reduced (you can increase it, as I have done this myself on another car and aftermarket wheels) as you'd need to put more material on the hub face, hence the need for spacers.
Isn't this backward  the wheels on my coupe are 35p, I looked at some other wheels which were 15p - if you are right they would be further out in the guard - if I put spacers in it would just move it out further??
Isn't it the lower the number the further in it is?? I could be totally wrong
But wouldn't spacers on a 15p wheel make it say 25 or 35p rather than lower numbers as above?
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Re: 18 " alloys
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07/07/2006 13:52
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The offset is the distance from the centerline of the wheel to the hub face. So yes, the lower it is, the further the wheels will "move out".
This also means the offset cannot be reduced (you can increase it, as I have done this myself on another car and aftermarket wheels) as you'd need to put more material on the hub face, hence the need for spacers.
Isn't this backward the wheels on my coupe are 35p, I looked at some other wheels which were 15p - if you are right they would be further out in the guard - if I put spacers in it would just move it out further??
Isn't it the lower the number the further in it is?? I could be totally wrong
But wouldn't spacers on a 15p wheel make it say 25 or 35p rather than lower numbers as above?
I can see how confusing it can be but no, the lower/smaller the offset is, the further out the wheel will be. Adding spacers would just make this worse... or better if that's what you want to happen.
Here's a link explaining all wheel offset
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Re: 18 " alloys
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07/07/2006 14:49
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I'm running 18's (Dare v5's) on a 26et offset. Pushing the wheels further out than the standard 16's 35et offset. IMO you have quite a large amount of spacer on the Coupe arches to fiddle with offsets, and TBH I could have gone for an even lower offset (something like 22et) and it would still have cleared the arch lips.
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Re: 18 " alloys
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07/07/2006 15:53
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Not really disagreeing with anything written but whether a wheel fits is a symptom of offset and design. The lower the offset the more the wheel sticks out
As far as good offsets for the coupe - the OE 20VT wheels are ET42, but our good friends of the Alfa GTV world (same chasis dont forget) use ET30.5 as standard which means their wheels 'stick out' more (but then the body panels stick out more) but also means the track width is increased and the handling is improved. ET30.5 works well on the coupe too - I have Alfa 5 stud hubs on my coupe (5x98) and I used to run 17" GTV Cup alloys. remember though there is a limit to what will clear the rear arch and clear the inside of the front arch near full lock
And you can reduce offset (which means increasing the offset number e.g. from ET35 to ET37) on wheels i.e. the face of the alloy sits closer to the hub - there are two techniques I am aware of/have used -
(1) Machine the hub face. Between where the collar of the bolt ends and the hub face there is some distance - usually around 7mm. As a rule of thumb you can probably go down to about 4mm but it will depend on the strength of the wheel what is safe. Some alloy manufacturers provide bolts longer than standard - that will equally mean there is more scope for offset reduction
(2) Oversize the bolt holes and insert metal collars. They then allow some more adjustability and allow changes in stud pattern. I have had this done on a set of alloys once - went from 5x110 to 5x114.3. The collars are supported far further up in the wheel casting so you can remove material off the hub face.
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Re: 18 " alloys
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07/07/2006 16:43
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(1) Machine the hub face. Between where the collar of the bolt ends and the hub face there is some distance - usually around 7mm. As a rule of thumb you can probably go down to about 4mm but it will depend on the strength of the wheel what is safe. Some alloy manufacturers provide bolts longer than standard - that will equally mean there is more scope for offset reduction
This is what I did a few years back on a Vauxhall which run a 49mm offset. (which were at least then hard wheels to come by) I machined the offset of my Momo's from a 40mm to 45mm offset to bring the wheels in as they stuck out to far.
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Re: 18 " alloys
#142148
08/07/2006 00:39
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ok, but what i meant is wheels that fit with spacers, i think its hamsters with the wolfrace twinblades , had to use a 3mm spacer to clear the brembos , what i meant is could the off set be reduced by 3mm to clear the brembos to save the use of spacers? i am right that the lower offset would move the wheel out more? G
The offset is the distance from the centerline of the wheel to the hub face. So yes, the lower it is, the further the wheels will "move out".
This also means the offset cannot be reduced (you can increase it, as I have done this myself on another car and aftermarket wheels) as you'd need to put more material on the hub face, hence the need for spacers.
yep, but the wheel could be ordered from new with the different offset?
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Re: 18 " alloys
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08/07/2006 15:59
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yep, but the wheel could be ordered from new with the different offset?
I think he's talking about wheels which need a spacer to begin with and don't come in the correct offset.
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Re: 18 " alloys
#142151
10/07/2006 21:28
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A lot of manufacturers won't do specific offsets to order because it is easier to sell in bulk to one size. That's also why they won't sell 4x98 in some designs but will sell 4x100 offer spiggot rings to adapt the hub and of course wobble-bolts. Likewise for wheels with two bolt patterns
Having said that some manufacturers are able to take offset requirements into consideration - these are typically the companies that are low volume or start with blanks and machine them to order. The best example in the UK is probably compomotive at a guess. I think BBS and Azev may also be able to accomodate different offsets to a point
The real problem is that in the 4x98 size aside from the coupe there is only the Stilo, Multipla and the lancia delta integrale (and later lancia deltas which the UK doesn't get) that can fit 18s AFAIK.
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Re: 18 " alloys
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11/07/2006 14:52
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The real problem is that in the 4x98 size aside from the coupe there is only the Stilo, Multipla and the lancia delta integrale (and later lancia deltas which the UK doesn't get) that can fit 18s AFAIK.
That's partly true. But a lot of the newer Fiat Range can fit 18" rims, (with the standard Fiat 4x98pcd). These include: Croma (new model), Punto MkII/MkIIb/Grande Punto, Barchetta, Idea, Sedici. Not including the Brazillian/South American models that we don't see in the UK.
Hopefully this might pave the way for more manufacturers to design wheels with the Fiat PCD in mind.
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Re: 18 " alloys
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11/07/2006 15:08
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I have to now point out that I am a stud pattern geek  The new Grande Punto and Sedici are both 4x100 The new Fiat Croma is 5x110 The reason is that they are on GM platforms with the exception of the Sedici which is on a Suzuki platform. So actually we will be worse off in the future not better. The Alfa 159 and Brera are also on the 5x110 stud pattern.
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Re: 18 " alloys
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11/07/2006 18:44
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I have to now point out that I am a stud pattern geek
The new Grande Punto and Sedici are both 4x100
The new Fiat Croma is 5x110
The reason is that they are on GM platforms with the exception of the Sedici which is on a Suzuki platform. So actually we will be worse off in the future not better.
The Alfa 159 and Brera are also on the 5x110 stud pattern.
Ah. I stand corrected.  But then, I'm not a stud pattern geek. 
And quite right, if thats the case with the newer range, the choice of alloys is going to be more difficult.
Hub conversion group buy might be in order soon.... 
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