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Looking for interest #1377864
15/09/2012 21:12
15/09/2012 21:12
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At the AGM today I raised the possibility of developing an Android/Bluetooth application to work as Startrek. It seemed to go down well... is this something that might have general interest?

Here's the situation: to build this I need to expend several hundred hours learning the OS and developing the application; I need to design, test, and debug the hardware dongle that will (wirelessly) connect to the ECU. If there is interest, I'm prepared to put that effort in...

This will be a two part solution: the first is the android application itself which will be free. The second is the interface for ECU which may well be for 20vt and will regretably have to be charged for. I have no idea of the cost of this interface though it ought to be somewhat less than the widget - it uses many of the same components.

Sedicivalvole has indicated that may be able to facilitate conversion to Apple iPhone format.

Please understand that I don't yet know if this is possible though I believe it to be - but I need to know first whether the interest is there...

Cheers!


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Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377865
15/09/2012 21:15
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Hi Neil, I liked your vocal style and your pitch was good. It's a 100% YES from me! laugh



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Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377868
15/09/2012 21:33
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Im sure i asked you this in a pm ages ago tongue

It would be a yes from me as well thumb

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377875
15/09/2012 21:59
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If it can be made iPhone/mac compatible I would definitely be interested.


Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377930
16/09/2012 04:44
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Yeap i would get it smile

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Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377934
16/09/2012 07:38
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A yes from me too Neil, if iPhone compatible.

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377935
16/09/2012 07:51
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This is a great idea Neil, imagine the potential market if you could design a system that could bluetooth with any vehicle ECU and display the information on a tablet or similar device!!

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377937
16/09/2012 08:20
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That's already available, Jimbo - look for 'elm 327 bluetooth' which works with current OBD-II systems and many CAN systems.

The big problem is that the coupe doesn't use OBD-II nor anything remotely similar. The 16 (Weber/Magneti Marelli) ECU is the easiest to implement but uses a baud rate that bluetooth can't handle; the 20 uses a combination of a brain-dead processor and an equally braindead and unnecessarily complex comms protocol which requires very precise timing - and will still drop out from time to time if the ECU has more important things to do.

That's why an interface box is required; it has to manage the bluetooth comms and talk to the ECU and negotiate between the two.

In my earlier post I said
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which may well be for 20vt
and I forgot to include the word 'only' but I'll see about the 16; it's the easier one to start with. Might be different boxes/software packages - stuffing both sets of protocols into the widget complicated it enormously.

Pinin, failed to notice you there at the AGM; you should have said hello!


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Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377938
16/09/2012 08:35
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You'll struggle to get a Bluetooth adaptor working on a IPhone I think, unless it's jailbroken.

The only ones compatible I found used WiFi and we're expensive.

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377939
16/09/2012 08:36
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Yes yes yes :-)


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Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377944
16/09/2012 08:58
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Hell yes!!!

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377947
16/09/2012 09:50
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If it wireless then yes im in all the way. The screen of my galaxy s note would love it

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377948
16/09/2012 09:59
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Very interested in Android one! smile

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377949
16/09/2012 10:09
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On the 'droid you say? I'm in.


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Re: Looking for interest [Re: Mansilla] #1377978
16/09/2012 13:28
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On the 'droid you say? I'm in.


Second that!

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1377981
16/09/2012 13:43
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Sounds like an excellent idea.


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Re: Looking for interest [Re: jimbob13] #1377995
16/09/2012 15:08
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Yes cool

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378001
16/09/2012 15:40
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Can i ask how exactly this device would work.Is It simply a board connected to the diagnostic port outputting to an android device via bluetooth interface?

Just thought about this after you mentioned it yesterday. How would this benefit over a widget or star trek and cables.

More displayed information? Just a query really. Defiantly a great idea though.


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Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378005
16/09/2012 16:19
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Rather you than me, but I'd be interested in an Android version and both 16VT and 20VT dongles.


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Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378010
16/09/2012 16:40
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Basically yes, Rueb. It benefits those who don't want to remove the vent to fit a widget, and it benefits those who don't have a laptop. There's no point fitting it if you have a widget unless you want to swap. You won't be able to use two at once.


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Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378017
16/09/2012 16:54
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This sounds brilliant. Id be interested in it.

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378022
16/09/2012 17:32
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I'll be interested if you can do it for the iPhone.

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378029
16/09/2012 18:08
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Awesome idea

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378037
16/09/2012 19:10
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Great idea, as an iphone user that would be my preference, but I know plenty of people with Android phones.

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378043
16/09/2012 19:31
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Would be interested in an iOS version as first preference or Android as second.

Apple have restricted/crippled file transfers on Bluetooth on iOS not sure about data transfers though? I know i should go and look but it's Sunday! wink


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Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378146
16/09/2012 23:14
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Do Android first , iOS last tongue


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Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378185
17/09/2012 01:31
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Android would definitely be easier (particularly in terms of the wireless component of it).

I am an iOS user, but in this case I would recommend Android come first (I think it would be much quicker as well, unless you already know Objective C).

If released on Android, I would buy a cheapo Android phone and stick it in the car permanently.

A resounding 'yes' from me, and I can guarantee a large number of the the Malaysian folks will also want a piece of this.

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378186
17/09/2012 01:50
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http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2012-HOT-.../635847694.html

Very cheap android phone. Scrap the rest of the sim functions etc. Just have this plugged in to some power in the car and away you go.


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Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378190
17/09/2012 06:10
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Neil, would this be capable of reading and deleting codes or is it purely a widget?

Re: Looking for interest [Re: barnacle] #1378194
17/09/2012 07:34
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Unknown as yet, Kelvin, but it would certainly be capable of reading them and probably of clearing them too.


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