http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/21/men-girls-alcohol-sex-court

people. thats whats wrong.

This happens in almost every town apparently - good job shiny is banned

They are scum and they know they will do it again when they get out from there 6 month sentences, look at that fat C*%t smileing.

shoot the Bastards.

Is he ?

I wish I could say it shocked me, it sickens me however. I'm not sure what else to say...

Until and unless convicted they are innocent.

A media report is not a good substitute for a judicial process. It is like believing you can judge a person, their demeanour and the likelihood of guilt and future offence from one photo used for a particular purpose and selected out of many taken.

If you are the sort of person that thinks to the contrary and that shooting someone is the solution - what steps would you approve society taking to protect itself from people like you?

If they are guilty they will be appropriately sentenced by someone with a far better grasp of the evidence and issues than any of us can glean from such reports.

Indeed, and the sentencing will be by a judge who has specialised training in trying such distressing cases.

And if found guilty we could hang them instead of keeping them at the taxpayer's expense. Let's start a list of people who won't lose any sleep should that sentence be handed down;

1. Brewster.

Problem is Brewster there is no undo button for the state murdering some one.
It's not exactly unheard of for people to be convicted and later being released due to new evidence.

2. Shinyshoes

3. Mark S

Well, seen as you've put that way I guess I've changed my mi.... zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Lol, agree to disagree. I have no argument other than personal opinion

I'm not having a go. I just don't think they'll be missed.

I'd even go as far as to say that if I'm ever in a position whereby I'm wrongly convicted of plying numerous underage girls with drugs and alcohol in order for them to be raped then you can string me up anyway.

Well since you are advocating that innocent people should be executed for crimes they have'nt committed and you are, presumably, innocent of any such crimes,but would still be happy for us to kill you after a wrongful conviction, let's just save us all the expense and trouble of a trial and just kill you now. At the very least it might reduce the number of threads like this one

There is some real scum in the world, if they are proved guilty I hope they suffer !

The PC brigade strikes again. It's this softly softly approach that has helped increase criminal acts in this country.

My future in laws live with in 5 miles from the area where this has happened and this is not the first time and wont be the last.

They know the penalties are a joke so they do it, they are scum. I know the penalties are a joke, but I dont commit the crimes because I'm not an .

I'm sorry, doesn't 13-15 year olds sound a little old??

This is England after all.

Myself and Mrs Jimbob are both registered childcare workers and we both quit a little over 4 years ago after seeing far too many cases like this whilst working alongside the child protection teams. It's depressing, but none of these stories shock me in the least anymore.

A guy in black at night with a jemmy is a criminal in eyes of law - going armed for job even if no crime committed, would I wish him well on his way? NO

Bunch of guys 200 miles of Somalia with AK-47s in tiny skiff - pirates, even if not actually had chance to commit crime. would I leave them floating around out there? NO

Allegations, evidence, motive, means, rumours, agenda driven reporting etc..... no trial yet but are they likely to be found guilty, yes. At this point in time, would I describe them as virgin white "innocents"? NO, they "look" like they are criminals.

Actually an interesting debating point is can a human recognise a criminal or another threatening person just by looking at them (face, demeanor etc.). I believe they can, because there is an evolutionary benefit to be wary of risk. I must admit that based on that single photo, they look like bad guys to me. That is just my gut call on it. sure there is some science out there on facial characteristics of criminal faces (eyes close together - urban myth?) and criminal genes etc.

discuss

Not suggesting that we/society should make arbitrary decisions based on people's looks. what I do find concerning is the whiter than white innocent until proved guilty. Need some kind of quasi state that equates like, "potentially innocent, but under suspicion and due process"

I bet you use the phrase "PC gone mad" every day, don't you? There is absolutely nothing in Emjay's post that is either "politically correct" or indicative of a "softly softly approach". Instead he simply pointed out that the laws of this country require us to consider ALL accused innocent until proven guilty and that deciding upon the innocence or guilt of an individual based upon 1 published photograph ( which will be 1 0f 100 taken with motordrive and the single least flattering shot picked ) makes as much sense as punching yourself repeatedly in the face, but hey - knock yourself out!

If you don't like the way that British law works, and has for many hundreds of years, go find somewhere else to live. Word of warning though, most of the countries whose justice system would likely appeal to you currently have British forces shooting at people with opinions like yours.

When i posted the link i never meant to imply they were guilty however they are on trial for the said crimes mentioned in the paper . It does not sadden me it makes me sick that one human can do this to another .

<sigh>

My point is that if I've been doing enough to justify a guilty verdict from a jury of twelve people then I really should have thought a bit harder how I conduct my life.

If these chaps are found guilty then it's not very likely they're actually upstanding members of society, going about their suburban pleasantries, but just happen to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I have not been charged of these crimes and even if I had I'm pretty sure that I could convince a jury that I wasn't guilty, because I wouldn't do such a thing and I'm not involved with people who do.

If found gulity then they should be done away with and not in the American style of spending years on death row awaiting appeal after appeal. The Chinese fashion of straight down the courthouse steps and into a van to never be seen again will do.

I'm afraid Brewster that your naivety with regard to how the justice system works would'nt survive contact with reality. I well know that the majority of accused persons appearing in courts are guilty of at least part of what they are charged with, but I also know that it is in fact the easiest job in the world for a prosecutor to convince a jury to convict an accused on the flimsiest of evidence, and most often in the cases of people who have never been in trouble in their lives.

Apparently, theres a worse case going on in Liverpool involving 47 men.

One of the kids got pregnant by one of these miscriments so if you can find doubt about that I'll eat my hat.
On another note this isn't a new thing. certainly new technology makes it easyer for them to get togeather and do this. Your just more likely to hear about it.

just out of interest where were social services / the parents / the school while all this was going on.

It's not as clean cut as you think it is sugerbear, some if not all of these kids are from broken homes. I have family that work in the care system, the kids are that gone that some of them actively run back to groupes like this.
I'll get flamed for this but I know it happens. Social services are charged with the child's protection and the best is done but bar locking them up and allowing no personal time they will just run away.

I'm not saying this is the case all the time but its to give you an idea of how this happens while these children are in protective services.

They will happily brake though windows to escape and go back to what they know for attention and presents. It's horrific that they are so damaged from there upbringing that this is just accepted as normal.

But if you're taken straight to the "Go To Sleep Van" then I doubt you'd care too much for very long. As an atheist I know I wouldn't.