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Re: Suspension [Re: ] #1312317
31/01/2012 17:17
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Point taken Jimbo if you have had no problems, I would prefer not to have metal on metal where there is movement.
The damper is at its shortest length!!! in the pic.
This is my point, the dampers shortest length is the same as original parts and does not retain the droop of the spring if that is what some peoples solution is.
Therefore mismatched parts at the least.
For the MOT Ill have to attach a bungee to kill the droop?

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Is there any good pic's of the lower part of the coilover, and how it is attached to the rear arm?
Sorry if i sound silly, not familiar with the rear Coupe coilovers.....


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If that's the damper at it's shortest then there is an issue with the damper that needs to be resolved or all coupes running them will fail MOTs !

I'd bring this up with the supplier ASAP.

Re: Suspension [Re: Jimbo] #1312592
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
If that's the damper at it's shortest then there is an issue with the damper that needs to be resolved or all coupes running them will fail MOTs !

I'd bring this up with the supplier ASAP.


Its not strictly true, but we are looking into it.

If the spring cannot come out of its location its not a fail. as the top is held in, and the bottom sits back down it isn't necessarily a fail. However it does come down to individual testers and the interpretation of the grey area rules. Of course we would like to remove any greyness and are looking at it, so please don't take this as a shrug off.

However what you have stated is wrong.

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I think it came under the heading of "all components must be secure" and with the spring loose on it's mountings either at the bottom or at the top if you pulled the spring down, they failed it on this.
The options were to add another helper coil to the spring or to fit a sleeve in the damper to prevent full droop. The latter being the cheaper option.

Re: Suspension [Re: ] #1312665
01/02/2012 14:05
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The easiest way to resolve will it/won't it pass? would be to talk to a MOT tester, which I have just this minute done!

I showed him the pics and explained, and the answer is very borderline/possibly/mmmm not too sure it's abit close to call 50/50... you get my drift? So still grey. This is one of those places that will replace a bulb for you rather than fail, but in no way shadey! The guy I talked to was the actual tester, but would look to his boss (who wasn't there at the time) to call it.

Saying that, it would be better to drive to any station where the most scrupulous of tester resides and be confident that it will not be failed on the spring issue.

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You did say this was without the wheels fitted, the extra wheel weight will make it droop a little further.


I'm not trying to pick holes in this new kit, far from it, I'll be buying one!! I just want to make sure the kit covers all the bases, I've been down the road of developing suspension for the coupé working with Leda so I'm aware of the silly little things that catch you out, just like this.

Re: Suspension [Re: ] #1312835
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the gaz kit has a spring with a softer 190lb section that acts like a helper.

Re: Suspension [Re: ] #1314117
06/02/2012 11:19
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Is it possible to get pictures of how the kits with "fix's" look?

Thanks

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The rear spring is wound progressively with the top few coils having little poundage and under load will sit coil bound but they allow the spring to keep seated when on full droop.

click to enlarge

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Re: Suspension [Re: ] #1320120
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Having looked into this the damper is as short of physically possible while maintaining adequate travel.
As long as the spring cant dislocate the MOT should be a pass, as the spring not able to fall out due to the overlap with the centre of the adjusting unit. However if MOT testers do raise it an an issue you can always adjust the rear ride-height upwards to maintain complete spring hold.

Re: Suspension [Re: ] #1322358
05/03/2012 21:22
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Today I had my MOT which resulted in these failing without any doubts. The tester went as far as he deemed them to be dangerous!
So, now I have the result that these are indeed unusable/unsuitable for the Coupe and for meeting the MOT standards!
I have mailed the companies concerned and will not say more at the moment as it's only fair to hear their replies and thoughts on how to resolve this.

I am talking about the rear damper/spring situation not the fronts.

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Re: Suspension [Re: ] #1322860
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I was planning to buy a set from BC. But when I see this thread, I start to wonder if I shall buy a set tongue. I hope BC realize that this is a major issue and that they need to solved it as soon as possible.


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frown Oh dear, I feared this may happen!

SM_SXOC as a temporary solution until you come up with a fix, you could post out a pair of rear spring platforms, these can be fitted over the bottom coil of the rear spring with the rear spring in place and basically will sandwich the spring between the normal lower spring platform and the one fitted above the bottom coil of the spring to prevent it lifting.

This does work as we did it to get my car through an MOT but there does need to be a more permanent fix developed such as an extra helper coil to the spring.

Re: Suspension [Re: ] #1325438
15/03/2012 22:00
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A quick update: another set of springs is going to be made within two weeks for the customer to test.

Re: Suspension [Re: ] #1325442
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Excellent news thumb

Re: Suspension [Re: ] #1325632
16/03/2012 16:12
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Originally Posted By: dlongstaff
A quick update: another set of springs is going to be made within two weeks for the customer to test.


Good news but will everyone that bought the kit get a pair of new rear springs??

Re: Suspension [Re: ] #1325644
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how many people have bought this kit? as I haven't heard many reviews

Re: Suspension [Re: Ecrab] #1325961
17/03/2012 21:51
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I have the kit but not driven the car with them fitted, still no engine in the car! Fronts went on well and was impressed but I can see why people are less than pleased with the rears.

Re: Suspension [Re: Ecrab] #1325969
17/03/2012 22:39
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Originally Posted By: Ecrab
how many people have bought this kit? as I haven't heard many reviews

Well now Duncan has added his opinion, thats four including me I know of.
Anyone else out there?
pm me.

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