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Rear brakes #1179314
02/03/2011 17:59
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this has possibly been done to death..

BUT.... im doing it again! laugh

As the rear 20vt brakes are shocking, me and mario where looking at replacements and going a step bigger.

we looked at the evo rear brembo's
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but then realised the rear disc'c are 300mm, so that will require brackets..

the rear size is 240mm taken from here!

what would be a good replacment for the pointless rear coupe brakes?

i remember using a thread about using 16vt front disc's and VAG calipers...

also, i know about the tarox kit, but they are a very expensive option... £645 shocking!

with that kit they use the 300mm rear disc.

So, thinking about it, you could use the Evo rear calipers and a 300mm rear disc...

oh also found this! usufull info for making the bracket!!

so now it leave me with one problem... finding a 300mm disc to use on the rear that fits the coupe..

any one?

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179335
02/03/2011 18:23
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I looked into this Marco. I couldn't find a 300mm disk to use with the standard caliper anywhere (needs to be 300mm x 11mm solid disk). You could go for a vented disk but you would need to change the caliper, that could leave you with clearance issues under standard wheels.

There is another kit, Suba had them on the back of his coupe. Not sure if they fit under standard wheels or how much they are though.


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Re: Rear brakes [Re: Taffy20vt] #1179371
02/03/2011 19:24
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so would the Evo rear calipers fit with the Tarox discs then ??

I'm very tempted by the rear Evo calipers cool

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179387
02/03/2011 19:51
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Not sure taz...

I think you will need a custom bracket.

The tarox bracket "should" fit the evo caliper...
The rear brake disc is 300mm

I'm going to call red dot tomorrow and see if they can do a set of 300mm soild vented disc!

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179388
02/03/2011 19:52
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Ha fiat ducato 2.8D has a 300mm disc lol but there 5 stud frown

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179400
02/03/2011 20:23
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The evo rear calipers take a vented disk I think. Not sure if they will work with the tarox solid disk.


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Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179412
02/03/2011 20:41
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Handbrake? Doesn't the ego have a separate mechanism for that, separate from that calliper?


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Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179483
02/03/2011 22:23
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not sure Matt, i will need to check.. be nice to have one caliper for the rear brake and one for the handbrake..

but now i really am dreaming!! lol

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179489
02/03/2011 22:33
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For £700 you could buy 6 pot 305mm k-sport/D2 calipers, pads, 2 piece discs. You'd then need to get yourself a spot caliper - possibly off something like a Ferrari and a custom bracket.

Alternatively you could get some wilwood superlight calipers and discs, plus some calipers incorporate a handbrake mechanism.

Or get some coupe brembos and front discs, then get a spot caliper and custom brackets.

Remember the rear brakes don't need to be super powerful

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179494
02/03/2011 22:35
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Another point to note, if you have a hydraulic handbrake it can't be on the same circuit as the brakes.

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179527
02/03/2011 23:25
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Hydraulic hand brake would be a first smile

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179673
03/03/2011 12:02
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A question though, Marco - why bother? The existing disc is so underused in the Coupe that there's no real point changing it.

You can certainly change the brake balance with attention to the positioning of the proportioning valve, and I suspect you'd get as much benefit from that as from replacing everything at the back.

Remember that if you end up with too much rear braking, you're just going to lock the back end in heavy braking, shortly followed by the back end coming past your earhole...


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Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179677
03/03/2011 12:05
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Neil ... its purly for looks rather than actual better braking...


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Re: Rear brakes [Re: barnacle] #1179687
03/03/2011 12:35
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Originally Posted By: barnacle
A question though, Marco - why bother? The existing disc is so underused in the Coupe that there's no real point changing it.


true, i agree with you...

Originally Posted By: barnacle

You can certainly change the brake balance with attention to the positioning of the proportioning valve, and I suspect you'd get as much benefit from that as from replacing everything at the back.


i need to look at my rear compo valve and adjust it with Gunzi's how to guide, it will make the world of difference.

i was looking for a really good stable set up, where you dont have to worry about the MOT... also, it will make the rear of the coupe look a little bit nicer to the eye.


Originally Posted By: MarioCirillo
Neil ... its purly for looks rather than actual better braking...


erm...yer...looks... nothing to do with better braking...
nothing at all..

and NOTHING to do with having big juicy 300mm rear brakes...:D

also, its some thing i can do while im witing to get my car bak.
im going crazy with out it.

if it was not for Mario car, i think i would of gone mad.

got nice list of goddies to go on it when it comes back!!

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179708
03/03/2011 13:04
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heres a cheap way to get a good rear set up..

if you have a look on the alfa 156 forum someone was advertising a tarox kit for the fiat coupe brand new in the box he had bought it to convert to a 156 but not got round to it..it had been reduced to 300 euros! (£257)as it had been up for sale a while

sorry guys its just been sold!...what a result laugh

sorry couldn't resist sharing my good fortune!

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179710
03/03/2011 13:09
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KTM, as you have the kit, can you put photos on here of the kit?

also, take measurements of the brackets and a photo of the disc's, calipers...

dam it just photo the hole thing and send them to me and i will host them!

im still planning to have a 300mm rear kit for under £150 with the evo brembo calipers and a good disc!!

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179712
03/03/2011 13:09
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sorry couldn't resist it but funny thing is all i did a couple days ago was tap in big brake kit fiat coupe and you get loads of links..i spotted this alfa forum link and thought it would be 5 years old like most are but when i got on it was only a month old and they were still available..my fingers were smoking i joined the 156 forum that quickly! so i could reply and buy them.

there is a full set of pics on the alfa site but if you send me your email i will get barbz to take pics as they are in post on the way to him

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Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179723
03/03/2011 13:25
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Marco, do a search as I think Taffy posted up the dimension about 6 months / a year ago


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Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179726
03/03/2011 13:28
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As a side note, EBC do a brake refurb service and can do the rear calipers.


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Re: Rear brakes [Re: Begbie] #1179732
03/03/2011 13:37
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Originally Posted By: Begbie
Marco, do a search as I think Taffy posted up the dimension about 6 months / a year ago


Begbie, can i ask a favour, can you search it plase, just had 2 goes at it and it winds me up.

the search function bugs the hell out of me...

PLEASE!!!!!!

i promise to get mario to do that dance you like!!
laugh

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179739
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Or I could take some photo's for you in an hour? I have the rear brake kit at home wink


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Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179744
03/03/2011 13:49
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KTM whats the link for the post on the alfa site then...

Cheers


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Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179746
03/03/2011 13:50
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see, i walways said you where a good person to know, i new not to list to Nick and Mario!!
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Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179747
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Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179751
03/03/2011 13:59
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right, after looking into this alot more, you could convert the coupes pointless handbrake into a hydrolic system with the rear calipers.

this could get interesting.

if i can get a 300mm disc, i would then look at getting a seporat resivour for the hand brake and a hydro handbrake set up.

that would make it interesting.

so that would mena getting rid of the rear compensating valve yer??

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179752
03/03/2011 14:00
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Originally Posted By: Marco20valveT
see, i walways said you where a good person to know, i new not to list to Nick and Mario!!
laugh

Refer to the link Boosted has given, no need for me to measure


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179755
03/03/2011 14:02
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sorry, thinking about my last post, i can control the hydro brakes with the compensator...

i think..

some one help me out here...

im cracking up.

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179768
03/03/2011 14:20
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the important thing is, will it still indicate when going round corners on track? laugh

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179776
03/03/2011 14:48
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Haha what a useful comment mate!!! Lol

Re: Rear brakes [Re: ] #1179796
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Marco, you have email


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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