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hourly rate of ICE installers
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22/09/2010 10:36
22/09/2010 10:36
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duncan78
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Had my coupe ICE upgraded recently.
All standard audio components replaced, new tweeters in dash, 6.5" components in front door.
rears have 6.5" coaxial
dynomatt sound proofed in the doors and rear cards.
Kenwood amp (class D reference so small) placed behind the drivers rear brake light.
8 hours of labour at £50 p/h .. Is this the going rate of ICE installers, seems expensive to me?!
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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22/09/2010 14:08
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Sounds a bit much.
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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22/09/2010 14:25
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I guess if it took 1hr possibly 90 mins at that rate to fit all the gear then that's ok but 8 hrs does seem alot.
it'd probably take me a week to do all that myself.
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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22/09/2010 14:30
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thats what I was thinking Nigel, but I thought I read on here it takes a hours to get all the seats out & back in again.
there is also fuses run from the battery to the amp in the boot which i left out
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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22/09/2010 17:01
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TheAudioGuy
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that is roughly the right time but no way near £400 to fit!
never pay hourly rate!, get a quote for all the work
for me you would of been looking at around £165 plus travel money for fuel as you way out of my area
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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22/09/2010 18:39
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yeah, only reason i did it locally was that I was visiting family nearby so was convienient and they had installed my Clifford so thought they would be reasonable. never again, Once i've done the coupe thing and got my next car i'll organise something with you TAG! On top of that I paid full RRP on the components and amp instead of buying it cheap online. cost me a ![cloud9 cloud9](/forum/images/graemlins/default/cloud9.gif) fortune, live and learn ![rolleyes rolleyes](/forum/images/graemlins/default/grin.gif)
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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22/09/2010 19:51
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I feel your pain! I personal can't do that unless they say cost no problem, there's the keys to the Ferrari then I charge but it comes out propper
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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22/09/2010 21:08
22/09/2010 21:08
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That's rubbish about taking hours to get the seats out
I could have all the seats out of a Coupe in less than half an hour and back in again just as quick
In fact, with a Coupe, to fit all the speakers, you don't need to take the front seats out OR rear seat backs out - you just need to remove the rear seat base and release the rear seat backs from the chassis so that both sides pull down (like the ski hatch) - once that's done, you can easily get at the screws that hold the rear panels. So - if they're telling you it took hours to get the seats out, they are either lying or they haven't got a clue - why would they need to take the front seats out anyway?
The work to fit front and rear speakers AND do some soundproofing goes like this:-
1) Door cards off - 7(?) screws on each - 10 minutes per side 2) Remove speaker - fit new speaker - 10 minutes per side (including fitting new spade connectors) 3) Stick some dynamat to each door - 5 minutes 4) Re-fit door card - 15 minutes 5) Remove seatbelt lower mounts - 5 minutes per side 6) Remove rear seat back retaining nuts (2 x 10mm) 5 minutes 7) Remove rear seat base - 5 minutes 8) Remove rear cards - 5 minutes per side 9) Remove rear speakers - 5 minutes per side 10) Fit new speakers - 10 minutes per side, inc drilling holes and fitting new spade connectors 11) re-fit rear cards - 10 minutes per side 12) re-fit rear seat back and base - 10 minutes
Now I'm being extremely generous with some of those estimates (for example, the rear seat base comes out in one minute, not five) - however, I make that to be two hours.
I've never fitted an amp, but I rather doubt it accounts for the remaining six hours
You've been stitched....
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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22/09/2010 21:49
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^ As above sounds like a stitch up.
Got pictures of your amp?
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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22/09/2010 22:09
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well they didn't say it took hours to get the seats out, I just remember seeing a thread on here about how long it took so assumed that was why there is a lot of labour. The company is well known and does the Kenwood demo cars so has a good reputation although i did read in audio forum a couple of years back their charges were high, just didn't realise they were that ![cloud9 cloud9](/forum/images/graemlins/default/cloud9.gif) ' high! The amp (and the crossovers for the front speakers are mounted there as well) ... It sounds good, but with £600 worth of speakers and a £400 amp (rrp prices) I expected it to .. it's just not worth the money I paid ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif)
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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22/09/2010 23:16
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hey duncan, All depends what quality of install you paid for and who did it? Although 8 hours is rank armature, less than a mornings work,[so 400 is taking the piss]even back in the 90's at a typical place I worked at you would have paid, £50 for front components, £45 for rear co-axels, £20 per door dynamat, and amp £50 all + vat, but you had times for installs etc i.e. on a coop, front components 30 mins, rear 30 mins dynamat 15-20mins per door and amp 45mins,this would have been a standard install wires cable tied routed and loomed nothing elaborate, a quality install from a good installer who would be an auto electrician, sound engineer, cabinet maker, upholsterer, fibre glass pro etc etc, would have designed the install showed you explained why where etc and quoted an overall price, but believe me if dissected £50 ph would be a low starting figure, for a high quality install, show car, quality finish etc on the invoice I usually put labour down to £65 ph. When you think halfrods £25+vat ish for a head unit install which is usually under 10mins there’s £150ph.
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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23/09/2010 09:16
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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23/09/2010 09:21
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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23/09/2010 09:36
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JL Audio c6-650x (I think they're C6's in the front and c2-650's in the rear). That link to the amp is the same one as mine (Kenwood X4D) That was the point I was making, I asked them to order the amp in and they did, but I paid full RRP for it. If I had bought the stuff online it would have been a lot cheaper and I would have just paid installation costs and the wiring that was required. Bottom line is I was lazy and I realise now how much I have overpaid for the amp/speakers ![rolleyes rolleyes](/forum/images/graemlins/default/grin.gif)
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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23/09/2010 09:57
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well the front cost £359 and the rears cost £109...........so hummmmm.
personaly id be down there complaining my ass off!
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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23/09/2010 10:43
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not sure I can really do anything.
I guess it would be like going into Curry's and saying I don't want to pay the full RRP for this iPod Nano when I could have got it £20 cheaper off Amazon online.
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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23/09/2010 11:19
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TheAudioGuy
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best thing to do is phone them up, dont tell them who you are and get a qoute for the equipment you have and if its a different price then tell them "why did you rip me off then!" youv taken the p*ss and im comming back for a refund! then see what they say
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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23/09/2010 11:24
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best thing to do is phone them up, dont tell them who you are and get a qoute for the equipment you have and if its a different price then tell them "why did you rip me off then!" youv taken the p*ss and im comming back for a refund! then see what they say Missed that. Perfect!
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23/09/2010 11:56
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£1400 is a lot of money for that install.
It is a good placement of the amp.
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Re: hourly rate of ICE installers
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23/09/2010 12:36
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It's actually about £1500 with the JL Audio RCA leads and the power cabling added onto it and VAT.
you're right it is a lot of money but then I did want good quality audio components. It's not that I can't afford it but when I look what i've got for 1500 notes it wasn't worth getting the shop to get the audio stuff in and install it.
The shop isn't local to me (well an hours drive away) and i'm not one to complain unless I have been screwed over. I think on this occasion i'm more annoyed at paying RRP prices for all the audio. I don't think the garages near to me are that far off 50 quid an hour labour either.
There is a local (1 mile up the road) car audio place near to me where I could get a quote from to compare and perhaps ask their hourly rate.
I just don't think for the hassle of complaining at them it's going to change anything, i've got everything I asked for. They did ask me whether I was going to supply the amp etc but I said no just order it in.
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23/09/2010 14:41
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Duncan, You start the thread asking "is it overly expensive", to which the answer is a conclusive yes, yet you don't want to take it any further with them?! Did you just want to confirm your suspicions, as I don't see it making you feel any better now you have ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) I look forward to hearing your pimpmobile sorry, lovely original subtely modified plus soon ![tongue tongue](/forum/images/graemlins/default/tongue.gif)
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