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thema t16v T3/T4. -170 kgrs.new vids p 4 #904357
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put all the mods:
-bobines bougicore,faisseaux bougicore,bougies froides ngk.
-walbro gss342,inject 437cc,regul bonalume asymetrique,filtre essence gros debit.
-inlet carbone,cone JR 400ch,T3/T4 trim 46 A/R63 roue turbine stage3 trim 76,echangeur delta 16v,tube inox 60mm avant papillon des gazs(durites d eau du papillon debranchées),dumpvalve bonalume.
-downpipe 3".comming next: ligne complete en 76mm et collecteur inox surmesure.pression turbo a venir 1.4b.mano turbo vdo.joint de colecteur renforcé.
-plaquettes arrieres carbone loraine,avant a faire ds2500 disques gr N et toutes durites avia et liquide frein motul.
-vidange de boite motul,huile 20w60 le mans.
-aac d echappement changé reglage pastilles,virage couroie equilibrage,distrib kit renforcé.

voila je met les tofs en vrac desolé:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa05342.jpg[/img]

tube carbone fait maison en 100mm:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa06146.jpg[/img]

vernis:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa06411.jpg[/img]

modif debimetre entrée viré le coude et mis en 76mm droit:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa06475.jpg[/img]

essai de montage d admission courte:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa06504.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa06514.jpg[/img]

le t3/t4 trim 46 avec carter echappement en A/R 63 sortie Vband:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa06623.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa06645.jpg[/img]

il est bon pour 450ch maxi mais il aura de la marge!!lol :lol: :

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa05132.jpg[/img]

y a plus qu a!!:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa06772.jpg[/img]

la downpipe en 76mm pointée pour etre bien a la bonne place:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa06930.jpg[/img]

les dernieres soudures:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa0697.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa06981.jpg[/img]

ca y est c'est posé!!:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa06991.jpg[/img]

comme j ais fait en meme temps que le turbo avec raccord en vband je ne pourrait pas dire si ca change quelque chose mais sur les phases sans turbo et bien c'est beaucoup plus plein en bas et mi regime.

ca y est c'est monté!!!!!:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa07011.jpg[/img]

le montage petit a petit car c'est que de la bidouille!!!!!ca se voit d ailleur!!lol je l ai macgyverisée la pauvre!! :lol: :lol: :

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/photoskikineport0011.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/photoskikineport0020.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/photoskikineport0031.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/photoskikineport0051.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/photoskikineport0061.jpg[/img]

relou de caser l echangeur de la delta!!!!faut pousser un peut le radia lol!!:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/photoskikineport0071.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/photoskikineport0081.jpg[/img]

ca avance!!:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/photoskikineport0090.jpg[/img]

l admission carbone a droite dans le compartiment entre l aile et la cloison moteur c'est nikel pour l air frais. tongue :

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/photoskikineport0160.jpg[/img]

l admission courte montée:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/photoskikineport0120.jpg[/img]

les carbonnes lorraines montées ca freine!!!.....mais ca couinne!!!!!!!!:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa07431.jpg[/img]

la protection thermique du tube d admission qui protege bien de la chaleur de la culasse et du colecteur!!!:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa07442.jpg[/img]

le moteur donc fini d aspect:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa07452.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa07462.jpg[/img]

j ais changé la durite de pression d air qui va a la dumpvalve car celui d origine le petit rouge en plastique dur se bouche facilement et est craquant a la chaleur.

j ais debranche la durite du circuit d eau qui va dans le papillon inutile et fait chauffer grave le papillon le tube et le colecteur pour rien!!!:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/spa07492.jpg[/img]




some vidéos of my old mamy!!lol

like the sound of carbon inlet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIRdoTEGfFY

0 a 190 km/h:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjOxgTk6Iw4

passage chez ctf 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPK3JuAYpno

passage 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olR9h3V2MrM


coming next:
-disques de freins groupe N a l avant avec ds2500.toutes durites avia.vidange circuit et liquide racing dot 4 motul.
-full exaust in 3"
-colecteur inox home maid
objectif 325ch a 1.4b whith that tongue tongue tongue
see you next budyswink wink


now runing 1.4b approx 305hp but exhaust is restrictiv(2" and 2.5" real [censored])!!!!my cluch is sliding at 1.4b.i need a 5 patins from AR racing which can run good whith 43mkg and more.bye! wink

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Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904362
22/09/2009 20:24
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Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904369
22/09/2009 20:28
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thing to do apport frech air:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/thema0200.jpg[/img]

maybe next:air inlet colector to remove by a delta one and biger inox inlet tube.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904371
22/09/2009 20:32
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Parlez Englaise????

Do you speak english??

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904374
22/09/2009 20:33
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http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/sea...g-alfafiat_auto

my car is at 2.40 wee ear the turbo good!!

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Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904376
22/09/2009 20:34
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i speek not verry well english...sorry scuse my french!!lol

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904392
22/09/2009 21:01
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You seem to like replying to and answering yourself aswell too.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904394
22/09/2009 21:05
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i dont now..i tri to do a funy car!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904400
22/09/2009 21:14
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Oh and some nice pics there,was just looking through them.Nice and interesting.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904406
22/09/2009 21:32
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thanks.

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tre bien car

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904466
22/09/2009 22:54
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Zeh french are taking over!

Haha nice car, but unfortunately my french isnt what it used to be smile

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904469
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Zeh french are taking over!

Haha nice car, but unfortunately my french isnt what it used to be smile

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904474
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And the dutch are double posting.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #904558
23/09/2009 08:24
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You'll probably find you are closer to 350 bhp once you've got 3" exhaust! I've got 305 at 1.2 bar, tho car is now running 1.45 so don't know exact figures?? NICK...



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Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: nick_d] #905057
23/09/2009 20:20
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i think the original exhaust manifold is really bad and make high temp on 4 cylinder exhaust valves.and i will try to do one in inox whith 40mm or 42mm tubes that joined in 3.5" inox tube before the t3 flange maybe it will give me more power in high RPM and more 10 hp.i hope so whith the exhaust full 3" from downpipe to back muffler exhaust.i think if you hade 305hp at 1.2b now you should have around 335hp +/- 5 hp approx and a lot of torque more!!!which turbo are you runing whith?

my english is really pore...i come from fiat coupé forum in france!!!ther is a lot of informations coming from this forum!!!bye i hope come back whith good news!!!:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/im000907.jpg[/img]

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #905062
23/09/2009 20:28
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sorry i forgot the result at dyno test it was whith 1.3b and shi..exhaust:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/passagebancctf1.jpg[/img]

second test whith more fuel:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/passagebancctf2.jpg[/img]

turbo pressure(it gose down from 1.3b to 1.2b maybe due to the restrictive manifold and exhaust..??:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/passagebancctfpressionturbo.jpg[/img]

so i hope once all finished maybe 320hp at 1.4b and 43mkg.will see...the top would be to have high power at 6500rpm.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #905115
23/09/2009 21:25
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I'm running t34 cosworth turbo but with the standard 48 ar exhaust side! Which is becomin restrictive i think... But i'm happy for the time being as there is very little lag! 335 would be a nice figure to get to, will be back on the dyno within the month hopefully! I have tubular manifold but i think i may aswell have just ported the standard one, as i now believe it would not have been a restriction!? Nick....



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Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: nick_d] #905704
24/09/2009 17:07
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i think the original one is restriction passed 300hp!!!and is really not good for 4 th cylinder(hot temp).which manifold do you have?do you have picture of it?it's an essential part to free power!!whith a/r 63 it' a bit lagy(full boost at 4500 rpm) but it have displaced the power pick from 5650rpm to 6000 rpm whith no reprog on my car!!i think whith a 3" exhaust and tub manifold(of good quality)it may displaced the power pik at 6500 rpm whith no reprog.whith a/r 48 becarreful to the exhaust temperature at high RPM it can bee really warm!!980 or more degrés...
i hope make a good manifold whith 42mm size(most of the tubular manifold are in 38mm size).will see.tell me when you go at dyno!!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #905719
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you must speek about what show bigbies whith is flow test about the sciara manifold!!wee really can see that the bad flows are when the tubes are not straigt but when they are round it's a physical low i think.thats wy a im studing to do a manifold whith a specific look and big 42mm tube size.wee will see!!i hope to make somthing verry flow liberator and free!!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #905751
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My manifold is also a scara one, tho mine is different shape to begbies as his had external waste gate! Think mine is ok but there are definately better manifolds out there! Nick!



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Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #905778
24/09/2009 19:35
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Originally Posted By: pjd30
And the dutch are double posting.


Double Dutch laugh

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #905831
24/09/2009 21:15
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Here you go, custom made 40mm ID steam pipe (weld-el) manifold.

click to enlarge

yes, you are right about the .63, peak power moves to over 6000rpm compared to 5300rpm on the .48a/r

.48 with external gate integrated, t04e compressor

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but I think Nickd and I are proving the .48a/r will limited you to lowish 300bhp power figures as it gets to restrictive up top


Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: Saint] #906465
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this manifold look good whith big tubis and shows the massiv probleme of this car:the space when you want to keep the original flange place..not easy!!!!

not a lot off space...

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/thema014.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/thema0190.jpg[/img]

have to work!!lol

have to do this:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/thema008.jpg[/img]

my injectors are out..have to move them for ford 400cc(2.4 ohms).have to buy an aem 6/1 large band also.see you!!!

thanks for your comments and help!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #906469
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for your manifold it really looks at the best possible manifold whith the original turbo place for me!!!do you have other pictures of it?is it yours?is it easy to put the screw at the top of the manifold(do you enderstand?sorry for my pore english...).where di you find this one?do you sell some of it?thanks.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #906506
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The injectors you mention are LOW impeadance aren't they..... Thought we had to use HIGH impeadance?? By the way i think saints manifold is a one off! Nick



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Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: nick_d] #906641
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yes on the thema it'a old low impedance injectors.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #906642
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so saint if you sell some i would buy one!!thanks!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #906698
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Here you go a few pics of the manifold, they are biggest tubes you can use easily with OE position.

40mm ID with 3mm wall thickness

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With the turbo t04e 50 trim

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Still in the oe position

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External gate in place

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Was a one off custom build but using the weld-els was pretty cheap


Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: Saint] #906735
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so it already sell?or you stil have it on your car?which result do you have whith this manifold(do you have dyno compare?).thanks.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #906737
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do you think its an obligation to use 3mm thikness?and 2mm will bee to small and not sure?i maybe would test whith 42mm and 3mm thikness.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #906742
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I still have it on my car, and sorry I have no dyno compare before and after becuase I changed the turbo at the same time, but the turbo and manifold gave me 65bhp extra but I don't know how much is which.


Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: Saint] #906744
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ok i understand.see you for the news!!i will try to do my manifold alone!bye!

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i just receved the 3" mufler exhaust.i just have now to finish the 3" full ehaust.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #909384
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inlet 3" outlet 4".full 3" in whith 2" remouvable reducer of DB noise!!

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/themaechapp004.jpg[/img]

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #909423
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Maxluc: Hi, great thread Max (After I Google Translated it!). I've only skimmed it so I need to read it properly later sometime.

By the way, There is a "Projects" section. How about starting a thread there?

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: kj16v] #909502
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i cant i must be on the forum since one month.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #914462
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just buy an AEM wide band to have the maximum power possible and have a good afr whith my new 400cc.

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Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #916674
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Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #920663
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Last edited by maxluc; 25/10/2009 01:22.
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Last edited by maxluc; 25/10/2009 01:24.
Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #923631
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Hi Maxluc, i cant see the picture's from casimages.com ... not sure if more people have trouble with that?

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #923670
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it's ok now!

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Looks good, where did you get the spaghetti manifold from?

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ebay.

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i have to cut to put full 3" whith VBAND connect.

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thanks mini!!LOL!!hey we speek verry well english i think!!
the frog power!!LOL

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Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #933355
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What turbo did you use now? Nice manifold, practice on english so we can discuss what you are doing wink

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #933786
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ok.it's a T3/T4 trim 46 whith turbine carter in 63 a/r and stage 3 turbine whell trim 76.

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how many hp do you think i can win whith my new exhaust in full 76mm, instead of my actually exhaust line in 60mm whith 2 silencers in 63mm(292ch at 1.3b whith this exhaust)??do you think it will make the power pike much higher whith full 76mm line exhaust?thanks.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934795
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from standard to 3" exhaust gave 30hp for my friend

and yes both measured before and after in same RR only one day between.. ( 155q4 )

I believe you get around 325hp@ 1.4bar with new exhaust.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934813
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how!!!greet news for me!!thanks!!!so i have changed the original exhaust manifold for an 40mm tubis inox,the full exhaust line in 76mm,a good AFR,and from 1.3b to 1.4b or maybe 1.45b.i hope to get 330hp at 1.4b!it will be a dream for me!!see you!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934820
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and for the torke do you now if this modifications will increase or make low the tork?thanks.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330 [Re: ] #934844
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Personally I think you'll make closer to 350 bhp with your new mods, and around 330 ft lb?! Obviously with right map!
You've now got better tubular manifold than me, 3" exhaust is larger than mine and your turbo will prob make a little more top end power than my t3 super 60...... And I made 305 at just 1.2 bar! With censored compressions!

I'm hoping to make 340 when car has been rebuilt next week... Hopefully just my rings will need changin, fingers crossed!

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i hope for you it will be just the rings.thanks for the informaations.350 bhp would be to much at 1.4b if i have this!!i will low the pressure to have 330hp i think to keep my motor just alive!!(150000 kms..).305hp is a really good result whith a trim60 you should have a really good remap!!!!cool!!!and you have bad compressions so you will reach a big power!!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934864
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I also had tubular manifold 3" exhaust etc etc.. when I make my 325@1.4bar
and garrett gt40 turbo
the exhaust cam, the exhaust cam..
you have to adjust the cams a little or better way, chance the cams to N/A model ones..
like I said, hopefully I see better results than 342hp that is best yet, with standard cams that I know.
( and it had already headwork done )

and one more thing, different RR places also..
some place could be 320hp and another one is 340hp.. who knows smile

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934880
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some man tell me that the exhaust cam on the thema style 2 is beter than the coupé one.do you now something about that?

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934881
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all the turbomodel cams, what I know are

exhaust : 7,5mm lift and 210degree

N/A is : 9.57mm and 239 degree

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Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934885
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ok.i think it will not bee verry usefull if you don't remap the ignition!no?because it change the ignition law when you just put a N/A aac no?

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934886
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you had a garrett gt40 turbo ????are you sure??maybe you make a mistake when you write it no?

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934932
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no mistake ...

1bar boost was 3800rpm on dyno ( 4th gear )
but with standard cams it was not worth it..
( car was 155q4 )

I have now mitsu evo turbo and it spools very fast!
( 1.4bar is 3000rpm or even before ! and good for 400hp )

http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/jq4tm/?action=view&current=gt2Bkytkinkoppa2.jpg

there is the GArrett GT40 with .63 exhaust side

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934936
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and there you can see my new turbo :
http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/jq4tm/?action=view&current=paketti.jpg

and here lancia delta integrale with race cams, same evo 9 turbo as myself :
http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/jq4tm/?action=view&current=Perla413.jpg

here you can see other pics :

http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/jq4tm/

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #935062
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nice twin scroll manifold!!nice car!!it will be a big power car!!!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #936122
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thanks.. hopefully around 330hp with standard cams
and +370hp with thema N/A cams

1.4bar boost.

I also use delta integrale intake manifold, should give me some extra hp at high rpm

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #936146
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yes i saw it!nice mod!
i have this on my thema technical book:
thema 16v:

in:9.1mm
exhaust:9.1mm


43°
43°


thats all i have.it will be verry powerfull and good boost at low rpm!!!!verry nice!!!!what is your turbo?a td05h-16g?or 18g?thanks.i will maybe make the delta manifold mod later.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #936216
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TDo5hr 16g-6 10.5t
from evo 9 ( better compressor housing, than evo 4-8 models, it flows much more and better wastegate )
I also have at home titanium turbine wheel/ shaft
that goes on that turbo, will make even better spooling its 33% lighter than the inconel version
( the current version )
there is no use to chance 18g compressor, it will not make a difference.
20g is also, so much slower compressor, that I left that out of the question..
but 20g is better than 18g, what I think

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Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #936959
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ok!thanks for this informations!!intresting!!

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Lol Maxluqueue !

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ouai!!power frencheuu!!!

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voici je commence legé pour essayer ma balance et donner une idée de ce que je vais faire:c'est a dire tout peser et prendre en photo.

la roue de secour!!!18 kgrs de face mais avec reflet..
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema007.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema008.jpg[/img]

les trois tapis de sol!!! MDR 1.5 kgrs!!!


[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema010.jpg[/img]

2 appuis tetes arrieres et 2 ecouteurs arrieres!!3kgrs!! MDR


[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema011.jpg[/img]

pares soleils arrieres:1kgrs!!!!
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema012.jpg[/img]

colecteur d origine 6 kgrs.celui en inox 2 krgs:gain 4 kgrs.!!! MDR

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema013.jpg[/img]

bon je continue gentillement pour qu'elle garde un aspect civilisé pour l'instant:

les sieges du bas a l arriere(j ais laissé les dossiers pour le moment):

-grand siege: 6kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema2001.jpg[/img]

-petit siege: 5.5 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema2002.jpg[/img]

-moquette isolante : 2 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema2003.jpg[/img]

-appui tete passagé et poignées de portes arrieres: 2 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema2004.jpg[/img]

-acoudoir arriere cables inutiles pare soleil passagé: 2.5 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema2005.jpg[/img]

aller je commence a me lacher doucement! =)

-dosier banquette arriere grand: 10 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema3001.jpg[/img]

-dossier banquette arriere petit: 6 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema3002.jpg[/img]

-cotés banquette arriere et ceintures milieu: 2.5 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema3005.jpg[/img]

-ceintures arrieres avec habilement arriere: 2 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema3006.jpg[/img]

l arriere!!! :))) MDR j avais pas encore enlevé les ceintures arrieres:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema3003.jpg[/img]

-la clim avec 2 durites: 9 kgrs
sur la photo y a pas les 2 durites et 2 3 conneries de la clim qui font en tout 9 kg. wink
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema4002.jpg[/img]

le bloc
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema4003.jpg[/img]

le troutrou:

[url=http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/allegementthema4004.php][img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema4004.jpg[/img]

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[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema001.jpg[/img]

la boite est bien là:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema002.jpg[/img]

la thema volante!!

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema003.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema004.jpg[/img]

l admission avec la belle dump bonalume black!! =)

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema005.jpg[/img]

l embrayage d origine pas degueu aller on le vire!! =)
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema007.jpg[/img]

on fait ca avec la boite decalée sur le coté ca le fait sans la tomber!!youhou!!! Yellow_Hot_Colorz_PDT_10

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema008.jpg[/img]

ca y est y a plus qu a echanger!!celui d origine etait pas mort mais fatigué quand meme!!! :)))

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema009.jpg[/img]

nettoyage de la cloche qui etaot grasse!!!! Yellow_Hot_Colorz_PDT_27
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema010.jpg[/img]

les 2 embrayages:
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema011.jpg[/img]

on centre le disque et c'est fini!!!youhou!!!

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema012.jpg[/img]


voila donc en gros le mecanisme est renforcé tellement que le support du recepteur d embrayage a tendance a plier un peut par la sollicitation!!!! Yellow_Hot_Colorz_PDT_27 Yellow_Hot_Colorz_PDT_27 donc une pate de soutient renfort a faire!!mais en tout cas c'est du costaud et ca va acrocher ca c'est clair!!!! =( =(
voila enfin!!ca c'est fait!!donc la suite au prochaine episode!!! pttr pttr pttr

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résumé:

-roue de secours: 18kgrs
-tapis de sols: 1.5 kgrs
-apuis tetes ecouteurs: 3 kgrs
-pars soleils: 1 kgr
-collecteur: 4 kgrs
-cric: 2.5 kgrs
-grand siege: 6kgrs
-petit siege: 5.5 kgrs
-moquette isolante : 2 kgrs
-appui tete passagé et poignées de portes arrieres: 2 kgrs
-acoudoir arriere cables inutiles pare soleil passagé: 2.5 kgrs
-dosier banquette arriere grand: 10 kgrs
-dossier banquette arriere petit: 6 kgrs
-cotés banquette arriere et ceintures milieu: 2.5 kgrs
-ceintures arrieres avec habilement arriere: 2 kgrs
-la clim avec 2 durites: 9 kgrs
-conneries:500 grs
-panneaux de portes arrieres: 2*3 kgrs=6 kgrs
-ciel de toit: 6 kgrs
-plage arriere: 3 kgrs

93 kgrs

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aller on continue!!youhoulou!!! MDR

-encore de la moquette isolante du bruit: 6 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema6009.jpg[/img]

-habillages plastiques divers: 1.5 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema6010.jpg[/img]

donc 7.5 kgrs en moins!!youhou!!!


donc moins 109 kgrs au total pour le moment!!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #949521
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You're crazy man, tearing up such a nice car! crazy

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it's my 4 th thema so i realy have had really good pleasur whith this car!!so no probleme for me!!!the next maybe a thema 2.5 turbo diesel.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #949978
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Whats the weight of the car now? Is it less than my Lancia Ypsilon? laugh

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LOL!!i will now it when i passed my car to the french road test obligatory.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #954288
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the car weight 1200 kgrs now!!

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this is ok for the afr gauge sensor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js_fVGlXWPw

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Originally Posted By: maxluc
the car weight 1200 kgrs now!!


how much was the original weight?

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #962296
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I think around 1350/1400 ish?

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yes 1320 kgrs whith 10 liters of 98 octane fuel.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #962798
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Hey, Je ne speak the French! Please could you translate your lists? I tried Babel Fish but as usual it just made a mess of it. Apparrently you had the "belts postponed with skilfully late" crazy

BTW In you AFR gauge video why does it sound like you playing pinball? biglaugh

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: kj16v] #962922
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lol!it's the camera which is censored!!

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to much sliding even in 4th gear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3b8CGm-nP0

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Originally Posted By: Martijn
I think around 1350/1400 ish?


reason i asked was that my series 2 16v turbo comes in at 1285kg and it has a 90L LPG tank in the boot..

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #968634
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my thema have piloted suspentions which is making it 1330 kgrs.

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-22 kgrs!!!! =( =( =(

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/themaallegement.jpg[/img]


-159 kgrs.

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-wash the lights system: 375 grammes.
-Anti right(straight) fog: 825 grammes.

so -1.2kgrs

total: -160 kgrs!!!! =( =( =( =( yehhaaa.just to make 160 kgrs.

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it would be nice to read..
but cant underastand anything crazy

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sorry

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click to enlarge

next stage -250 kgrs.

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[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/bj8svwwkkgrhqqokjgesnlmrufdblvgdrbmwg12.jpg[/img]

NA coupé 16v NA camschaft.9.57mm valves.more power to come.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h21teUJYMI

a lot of water in the exhaust so there is smoke but sound good this full 3"!!!

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tires are dead..

start in 2nd gear at 60 km/h.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irMKoT5jN8s

start in 3rd gear at 100 km/h.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwFExpZYS6c

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Originally Posted By: maxluc
tires are dead..

start in 2nd gear at 60 km/h.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irMKoT5jN8s

start in 3rd gear at 100 km/h.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwFExpZYS6c


It sounds crazy in 2nd gear laugh
What's max boost pressure?



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i didn't see it for the moment(just look at the road and focus to keep the right way!!LOL).1.4b or 1.5b constant from 4250 to 7200 rpm.but i did this vids whith frend which is 95 kilogrammes and my tool bag in the back which is 20 kgrs.so i will make a new vid whith my 16v NA cams at intake camschaft and intake t16v camschaft in exhaust,alone,and whith new tires and without my tool bag!!so it will be faster!and if the pressure is 1.4b i will put 1.5b!!i must have almost 330 or 340 moto HP with(9.57mm and 8.3mm) camschafts in the car.i hope so!!

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