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Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934820
15/11/2009 13:48
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and for the torke do you now if this modifications will increase or make low the tork?thanks.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330 [Re: ] #934844
15/11/2009 14:29
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Personally I think you'll make closer to 350 bhp with your new mods, and around 330 ft lb?! Obviously with right map!
You've now got better tubular manifold than me, 3" exhaust is larger than mine and your turbo will prob make a little more top end power than my t3 super 60...... And I made 305 at just 1.2 bar! With censored compressions!

I'm hoping to make 340 when car has been rebuilt next week... Hopefully just my rings will need changin, fingers crossed!

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Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330 [Re: nick_d] #934851
15/11/2009 14:48
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i hope for you it will be just the rings.thanks for the informaations.350 bhp would be to much at 1.4b if i have this!!i will low the pressure to have 330hp i think to keep my motor just alive!!(150000 kms..).305hp is a really good result whith a trim60 you should have a really good remap!!!!cool!!!and you have bad compressions so you will reach a big power!!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934864
15/11/2009 15:41
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I also had tubular manifold 3" exhaust etc etc.. when I make my 325@1.4bar
and garrett gt40 turbo
the exhaust cam, the exhaust cam..
you have to adjust the cams a little or better way, chance the cams to N/A model ones..
like I said, hopefully I see better results than 342hp that is best yet, with standard cams that I know.
( and it had already headwork done )

and one more thing, different RR places also..
some place could be 320hp and another one is 340hp.. who knows smile

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934880
15/11/2009 16:49
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some man tell me that the exhaust cam on the thema style 2 is beter than the coupé one.do you now something about that?

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934881
15/11/2009 17:06
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all the turbomodel cams, what I know are

exhaust : 7,5mm lift and 210degree

N/A is : 9.57mm and 239 degree

Last edited by jtm; 17/11/2009 20:41.
Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934885
15/11/2009 17:15
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ok.i think it will not bee verry usefull if you don't remap the ignition!no?because it change the ignition law when you just put a N/A aac no?

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934886
15/11/2009 17:17
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you had a garrett gt40 turbo ????are you sure??maybe you make a mistake when you write it no?

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934932
15/11/2009 19:23
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no mistake ...

1bar boost was 3800rpm on dyno ( 4th gear )
but with standard cams it was not worth it..
( car was 155q4 )

I have now mitsu evo turbo and it spools very fast!
( 1.4bar is 3000rpm or even before ! and good for 400hp )

http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/jq4tm/?action=view&current=gt2Bkytkinkoppa2.jpg

there is the GArrett GT40 with .63 exhaust side

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #934936
15/11/2009 19:27
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and there you can see my new turbo :
http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/jq4tm/?action=view&current=paketti.jpg

and here lancia delta integrale with race cams, same evo 9 turbo as myself :
http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/jq4tm/?action=view&current=Perla413.jpg

here you can see other pics :

http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/jq4tm/

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #935062
15/11/2009 22:57
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nice twin scroll manifold!!nice car!!it will be a big power car!!!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #936122
17/11/2009 20:42
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thanks.. hopefully around 330hp with standard cams
and +370hp with thema N/A cams

1.4bar boost.

I also use delta integrale intake manifold, should give me some extra hp at high rpm

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #936146
17/11/2009 21:19
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yes i saw it!nice mod!
i have this on my thema technical book:
thema 16v:

in:9.1mm
exhaust:9.1mm


43°
43°


thats all i have.it will be verry powerfull and good boost at low rpm!!!!verry nice!!!!what is your turbo?a td05h-16g?or 18g?thanks.i will maybe make the delta manifold mod later.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #936216
17/11/2009 22:43
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TDo5hr 16g-6 10.5t
from evo 9 ( better compressor housing, than evo 4-8 models, it flows much more and better wastegate )
I also have at home titanium turbine wheel/ shaft
that goes on that turbo, will make even better spooling its 33% lighter than the inconel version
( the current version )
there is no use to chance 18g compressor, it will not make a difference.
20g is also, so much slower compressor, that I left that out of the question..
but 20g is better than 18g, what I think

Last edited by jtm; 17/11/2009 22:43.
Re: thema t16v T3/T4.292hp/36mkg at 1.3b.comin 330hp. [Re: ] #936959
18/11/2009 21:40
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ok!thanks for this informations!!intresting!!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #938436
20/11/2009 22:47
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Lol Maxluqueue !

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #938570
21/11/2009 09:06
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ouai!!power frencheuu!!!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #945774
04/12/2009 19:18
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voici je commence legé pour essayer ma balance et donner une idée de ce que je vais faire:c'est a dire tout peser et prendre en photo.

la roue de secour!!!18 kgrs de face mais avec reflet..
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema007.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema008.jpg[/img]

les trois tapis de sol!!! MDR 1.5 kgrs!!!


[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema010.jpg[/img]

2 appuis tetes arrieres et 2 ecouteurs arrieres!!3kgrs!! MDR


[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema011.jpg[/img]

pares soleils arrieres:1kgrs!!!!
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema012.jpg[/img]

colecteur d origine 6 kgrs.celui en inox 2 krgs:gain 4 kgrs.!!! MDR

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema013.jpg[/img]

bon je continue gentillement pour qu'elle garde un aspect civilisé pour l'instant:

les sieges du bas a l arriere(j ais laissé les dossiers pour le moment):

-grand siege: 6kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema2001.jpg[/img]

-petit siege: 5.5 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema2002.jpg[/img]

-moquette isolante : 2 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema2003.jpg[/img]

-appui tete passagé et poignées de portes arrieres: 2 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema2004.jpg[/img]

-acoudoir arriere cables inutiles pare soleil passagé: 2.5 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/alegementthema2005.jpg[/img]

aller je commence a me lacher doucement! =)

-dosier banquette arriere grand: 10 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema3001.jpg[/img]

-dossier banquette arriere petit: 6 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema3002.jpg[/img]

-cotés banquette arriere et ceintures milieu: 2.5 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema3005.jpg[/img]

-ceintures arrieres avec habilement arriere: 2 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema3006.jpg[/img]

l arriere!!! :))) MDR j avais pas encore enlevé les ceintures arrieres:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema3003.jpg[/img]

-la clim avec 2 durites: 9 kgrs
sur la photo y a pas les 2 durites et 2 3 conneries de la clim qui font en tout 9 kg. wink
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema4002.jpg[/img]

le bloc
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema4003.jpg[/img]

le troutrou:

[url=http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/allegementthema4004.php][img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema4004.jpg[/img]

Last edited by maxluc; 04/12/2009 19:18.
Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #946546
06/12/2009 16:43
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[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema001.jpg[/img]

la boite est bien là:

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema002.jpg[/img]

la thema volante!!

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema003.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema004.jpg[/img]

l admission avec la belle dump bonalume black!! =)

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema005.jpg[/img]

l embrayage d origine pas degueu aller on le vire!! =)
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema007.jpg[/img]

on fait ca avec la boite decalée sur le coté ca le fait sans la tomber!!youhou!!! Yellow_Hot_Colorz_PDT_10

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema008.jpg[/img]

ca y est y a plus qu a echanger!!celui d origine etait pas mort mais fatigué quand meme!!! :)))

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema009.jpg[/img]

nettoyage de la cloche qui etaot grasse!!!! Yellow_Hot_Colorz_PDT_27
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema010.jpg[/img]

les 2 embrayages:
[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema011.jpg[/img]

on centre le disque et c'est fini!!!youhou!!!

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/embrayagethema012.jpg[/img]


voila donc en gros le mecanisme est renforcé tellement que le support du recepteur d embrayage a tendance a plier un peut par la sollicitation!!!! Yellow_Hot_Colorz_PDT_27 Yellow_Hot_Colorz_PDT_27 donc une pate de soutient renfort a faire!!mais en tout cas c'est du costaud et ca va acrocher ca c'est clair!!!! =( =(
voila enfin!!ca c'est fait!!donc la suite au prochaine episode!!! pttr pttr pttr

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #947974
08/12/2009 20:09
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résumé:

-roue de secours: 18kgrs
-tapis de sols: 1.5 kgrs
-apuis tetes ecouteurs: 3 kgrs
-pars soleils: 1 kgr
-collecteur: 4 kgrs
-cric: 2.5 kgrs
-grand siege: 6kgrs
-petit siege: 5.5 kgrs
-moquette isolante : 2 kgrs
-appui tete passagé et poignées de portes arrieres: 2 kgrs
-acoudoir arriere cables inutiles pare soleil passagé: 2.5 kgrs
-dosier banquette arriere grand: 10 kgrs
-dossier banquette arriere petit: 6 kgrs
-cotés banquette arriere et ceintures milieu: 2.5 kgrs
-ceintures arrieres avec habilement arriere: 2 kgrs
-la clim avec 2 durites: 9 kgrs
-conneries:500 grs
-panneaux de portes arrieres: 2*3 kgrs=6 kgrs
-ciel de toit: 6 kgrs
-plage arriere: 3 kgrs

93 kgrs

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #949208
10/12/2009 19:17
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aller on continue!!youhoulou!!! MDR

-encore de la moquette isolante du bruit: 6 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema6009.jpg[/img]

-habillages plastiques divers: 1.5 kgrs

[img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/allegementthema6010.jpg[/img]

donc 7.5 kgrs en moins!!youhou!!!


donc moins 109 kgrs au total pour le moment!!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #949521
11/12/2009 11:50
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You're crazy man, tearing up such a nice car! crazy

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #949888
11/12/2009 20:14
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it's my 4 th thema so i realy have had really good pleasur whith this car!!so no probleme for me!!!the next maybe a thema 2.5 turbo diesel.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #949978
11/12/2009 23:11
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Whats the weight of the car now? Is it less than my Lancia Ypsilon? laugh

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #950267
12/12/2009 19:05
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LOL!!i will now it when i passed my car to the french road test obligatory.

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #954288
20/12/2009 18:28
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the car weight 1200 kgrs now!!

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #961550
05/01/2010 20:43
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this is ok for the afr gauge sensor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js_fVGlXWPw

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #962171
06/01/2010 20:08
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Originally Posted By: maxluc
the car weight 1200 kgrs now!!


how much was the original weight?

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #962296
07/01/2010 00:33
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I think around 1350/1400 ish?

Re: thema t16v T3/T4 trim 46. [Re: ] #962607
07/01/2010 17:42
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yes 1320 kgrs whith 10 liters of 98 octane fuel.

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