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20 v LE or Plus?
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15/09/2009 16:31
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Lawrence
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Okay, perhaps its time to make the plunge.
I'm after a mint LE or Plus. Pref under 80k mileage. Must be in excellent condition with all the usual re keys, reciepts, service etc.
I dont mind the usual mods, but not into dump valves, body kits, etc.
Pref colours are black, deep (rosso?) red, dark grey...but I havent seen enough coulours to know for sure
Whats the damage likely to be?
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: sugerbear]
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15/09/2009 16:39
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Lawrence
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Cheers Sugerbear
Am I right in saying that both models will have air con?
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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15/09/2009 16:40
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Guess it depends (as usual) on your take on the word "mint".
I'd say you need at least what Sugarbear is saying for a Plus, "arguably" more.
Anything less than 4k and I think you'll be struggling to get one within your criteria, either way/ car.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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15/09/2009 16:41
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Am I right in saying that both models will have air con?
Yup. Climate control, in fact...
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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#900223
15/09/2009 16:46
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Lawrence
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Fair point Hedge
By mint I guess I mean near perfect, if I'm being honest with myself.
Will there be a price difference between the LE and Plus? Am I right in saying that the Plus doesn't have the v popular Recaro seats?
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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#900225
15/09/2009 16:48
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The Plus DOES have Recaro seats
Plus will cost you more than the LE for similar mileage/condition
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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15/09/2009 16:50
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Hedge
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Proper minters are pretty rare, in truth. There will be a slight difference in price between an LE & a Plus, yes. Not much though, and less nowadays, I perceive...
The Plus has recaros - albeit they're copies, not strictly straight original recaros.
Some Plus's have side airbags; these are consequently a slightly different shape to standard Plus recaros. They're otherwise known as Jizzbag Recaros....
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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#900229
15/09/2009 16:56
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![biglaugh biglaugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/biglaugh.gif) Jizzbag Recaros.....grow up, me! Am I being silly on insisting on an LE or Plus?? Wouldn't a 20v with Leather etc, simply do? Not meaning to ask others what I want, but will I be getting subtantially more for the extra £1500???????????
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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15/09/2009 17:00
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Jizzbags, alone, are worth it, IMO!....
The whole "is it worth it" arguement is one only you need to decide upon. Plenty of owners on here for and against.
Do a quick search, suss out the differences, and then make your choice.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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15/09/2009 17:14
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I'd say it's worth the extra. If you like the bodykit, the different interior (Loads of red bits on the LE, red stitchings and silver dials on the plus), the starter button, etc..
The LE and Plus seats are genuine Recaro, except for the late airbag ones. They have the same recaro shape, but Fiat modified them to fit side airbags (wasn't available like that from Recaro at the time).
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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15/09/2009 17:18
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Lawrence
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Yes, the red stitching does look nice from the pictures I've seen.
Thanks for the explanation about the seats.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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15/09/2009 18:34
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ive a standard 20v turbo in porto with sunroof and air con ,black leather interior,for my personel preference i dont like the red inserts,but wish the seats were a bit more suportive, i like my interior as it is just would like the crome rings for the dash sometime soon
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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15/09/2009 20:21
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![biglaugh biglaugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/biglaugh.gif) Jizzbag Recaros.....grow up, me! Am I being silly on insisting on an LE or Plus?? Wouldn't a 20v with Leather etc, simply do? Not meaning to ask others what I want, but will I be getting subtantially more for the extra £1500??????????? You'll be unlikely to get a mint 20vt for £3000. Could look for a 20vt[6] instead. LE will be older than one of these or the Plus You just missed a very nice Plus... Mmmm
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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16/09/2009 00:15
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Am I being silly on insisting on an LE or Plus?? Wouldn't a 20v with Leather etc, simply do? Not meaning to ask others what I want, but will I be getting subtantially more for the extra £1500??????????? Possibly, possibly not. It depends if you want to do what many VT owners do and spend the next few years tarting your car up so that it looks like an LE or Plus. Although that may sound like a negative comment I suspect that a lot of enjoyment is to be had from that process. It would be easier, and ultimately also probably cheaper, however to buy the real deal in the first place. It depends what you want from your ownership proposition. Are you a "want it now" person or someone who wants to create something special for yourself and who has the time, money and patience to invest in that? I would not get too hung up on the airbag recaros. They add bulk and that's about it. Not many steering wheels look better for the inclusion of an airbag and that, in my view is true of the seats as well.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: MrCooper]
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16/09/2009 10:37
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Am I being silly on insisting on an LE or Plus?? Wouldn't a 20v with Leather etc, simply do? Not meaning to ask others what I want, but will I be getting subtantially more for the extra £1500??????????? Possibly, possibly not. It depends if you want to do what many VT owners do and spend the next few years tarting your car up so that it looks like an LE or Plus. Although that may sound like a negative comment I suspect that a lot of enjoyment is to be had from that process. It would be easier, and ultimately also probably cheaper, however to buy the real deal in the first place. It depends what you want from your ownership proposition. Are you a "want it now" person or someone who wants to create something special for yourself and who has the time, money and patience to invest in that? I would not get too hung up on the airbag recaros. They add bulk and that's about it. Not many steering wheels look better for the inclusion of an airbag and that, in my view is true of the seats as well. I suppose I'm a "want it now" person. I have huge respect for people who take the time or money to turn something good into something great, but as I dont have bags of either, I'd rather fast forward to the end product if I can even if the initial spend is more. Also, I can justify the spend with my wife once, but if I keep having to come back to the joint account again and again...... I've set myself a budget of around £3750 but am patient and will stretch a little further IF I see something which ticks all the boxes. I think this reasonable, but let me know if it isnt???
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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16/09/2009 11:22
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Also, I can justify the spend with my wife once, but if I keep having to come back to the joint account again and again...... Although I'm not married I know that I would find regular and significant forays into my bank account difficult to justify. I've set myself a budget of around £3750 but am patient and will stretch a little further IF I see something which ticks all the boxes. I think this reasonable, but let me know if it isnt??? I think that's a bit light TBH for what you are looking for. My plus is a 1999 V plate on 112k in really nice condition. If I were to sell it I would not be willing to go under 4k and would probably ask 4.25. I am also a realistic owner. That said, there have been pluses that go for less than this which, AFAIK, were in reasonably good shape. If I were you I would budget either an additional £500 in either purchase price or because the car you find for £3.75 might need belts/clutch/suspension+tyres.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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#900759
16/09/2009 11:27
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For that budget you'd be better off getting a really nice standard car rather than a rougher Plus/LE/6. Having said that, I don't think you'll get a TRULY mint car for that money. Mine's not far off mint having spent a small fortune on it and I'd be looking for way more than that if I was selling (which I'm not).
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: MrCooper]
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16/09/2009 11:28
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no way would i let my plus go for less than £4250 even though she's done over 115k miles. i think if you manage to get a decent looking one for your budget it will be disguising a host of problems....in your position i'd go for a well sorted, slightly lower mileage than mine, standard 20vt. still a very nice car if portofino is avoided..... ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif)
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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16/09/2009 11:39
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Lawrence
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Well, I suppose feedback like this supports asking the question... Sounds like I need to up my budget as I think I really want an LE, plus or late 20v(6). £4250 or thereabouts it is. That will delay the purchase, but like I said before I'm patient and the coupe has to be mint. Time to raise some funds. Anyone need an Audi A4 Avant????? ![tongue tongue](/forum/images/graemlins/default/tongue.gif)
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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#900796
16/09/2009 12:09
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I'm sure you could get a mint LE for £4k? Or have I underestimated this 'increase' in second hand car prices? ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif)
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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#900841
16/09/2009 13:24
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Does anyone know what CivicLegend's ex-MrChambers LE sold for? Probably a little over £4k?
I agree that LE prices are slightly below the Plus for the same condition and mileage. This may reflect them being older cars, but other than that hard to say why really. Perhaps the burlesque interior puts some buyers off.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: MrCooper]
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16/09/2009 14:13
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Limited Edition is the way. If you cannot find one or control the beast of the interior. Then a blander Plus is the way for you. ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif)
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: Sedicivalvole]
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16/09/2009 16:10
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Limited Edition is the way for those with a liking for pink and have long eyelashes.... yup that's about right....... ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif)
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: Sedicivalvole]
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16/09/2009 18:40
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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16/09/2009 19:24
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hey proccy leave them portos alone
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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16/09/2009 20:10
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hey proccy leave them portos alone oops sorry steve....baby... ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif)
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: MrCooper]
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16/09/2009 22:24
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: Sedicivalvole]
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17/09/2009 02:53
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You boys speak the Truth LE = no. 1
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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17/09/2009 09:18
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Come on guys. You know the only reason you have the LE is because you could not pull together the extra £500 for the Plus!
Seriously though, I like the LE, particularly in Chrono Grey - had I seen this colour when looking for a coupe I would probably now be driving an LE.
Plus wheels are in a totally different league though and the interior is, IMHO, better.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: MrCooper]
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17/09/2009 09:57
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Plus wheels are in a totally different league though Yes much lower than the originals! ![tongue tongue](/forum/images/graemlins/default/tongue.gif)
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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17/09/2009 10:08
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Why do LE owners always feel the need to defend their cars, is it some kind of minority complex? ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif) But seriously, I love both. The LE for the loud Italian style (Italians aren't subtle anyway!) and the plus for the more subtle stylish touches.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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17/09/2009 10:27
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I'm not defending the car, I'm defending the wheels! And I wouldn't say its just LE owners anyway!
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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17/09/2009 11:27
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Feeling the LE love at the moment ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) Good to see you post evo its been a while.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: MrCooper]
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17/09/2009 12:29
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Plus wheels are in a totally different league though and the interior is, IMHO, better.[/quote] Wow, I've really starting something with the LE v Plus banter. Keep it up people. That car in the link looks absolutely awesome. I'm even more in love with the Coupe than I was before. thank you everyone for your kind and funny advice. If money permits, (and I can stay patient) it will be a mint Plus for me I think....but either way I wont go wrong. When I see one I want to view, is there any chance of getting some help re viewing? The wisdom of an owner is invaluable.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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#901460
17/09/2009 12:36
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Have a look at the members willing to view cars section.
If its in SE London or North Kent I will come along with you (I'm knowledgeable ish, but not massively technical).
Forget the harsh words from the owners of the less classy LE. The Plus is what you need.
Steve
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: Sedicivalvole]
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17/09/2009 12:38
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A Plus or an LE will retain its value more, so I would definately get one over a standard one if I had the money and was in the market.
But please, don't get hung up on 80k.....
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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17/09/2009 12:38
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Plus wheels are in a totally different league though Yes much lower than the originals! I always thought you knew your stuff eldinho, but your credibility has just dropped significantly.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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17/09/2009 12:41
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Admin can we have a poll:
"Given the choice I would prefer: (i) a Plus; (ii) an LE"
Would be interested to see the view of non-LE or plus owners on this one as well....
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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17/09/2009 13:00
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fwiw i chose a plus as, at my advanced age, i didn't think the extravagant interior of the LE was appropriate and i stand by my decision. i love the car. having said that i think the LE is also a special car and if i was sedici or eldinho's ages i'd deffo have gone for one. maybe the whole thing is age related, in that the plus appears classier (to me!) as it's a little understated. certainly at auto italia recently, sedici's and the black one that was for sale (£6.4k?) looked absolutely stunning.... ![cool cool](/forum/images/graemlins/default/cool.gif)
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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17/09/2009 13:27
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Admin can we have a poll:
"Given the choice I would prefer: (i) a Plus; (ii) an LE"
Would be interested to see the view of non-LE or plus owners on this one as well.... I wouldnt vote - its too crude for me... So the vote will clearly be won by the folks that need the reassurance....i need none. ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif)
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: cjh]
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17/09/2009 13:30
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How old are you Proccy?
You drive a Plus cjh, which says everything one needs to know about both your confidence, intelligence and manhood.
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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the wrong side of fifty, provided the ambition is to stay alive... ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif)
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
[Re: sugerbear]
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02/10/2009 11:42
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for £5000 i could be tempted to get rid of my near mint plus in the super rare broom yellow. then again no i can't if it were me to buy another i'd have the LE because they are cheaper and i really love the red and black leather
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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02/10/2009 15:44
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LE all the way, its a car that others comment on snigger at......
tidied that one up...... ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif)
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Re: 20 v LE or Plus?
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02/10/2009 22:13
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if it were me to buy another i'd have the LE because they are cheaper and i really love the red and black leather
You missed this one though...
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