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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
[Re: Gaz]
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23/05/2009 22:23
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Benny, you and me know that FKs' with Bravo top mounts are just fine, and it was Jimbo that pointed us in that direction. However Jimbo's needs (and those of a few others) are more sophisticated, that's fine, each to their own. For some, the standard suspension is OK, for others a set of billies on standard springs are OK, for a lot of people einbach springs and billies are the best, costing around the £400-500 mark (maybe some bits 2nd hand). Any more than that and it's coilovers, starting at FK', then KW's and Ledas and Osrav's...where you can spend £1000 or more ![shocked shocked](/forum/images/graemlins/default/shocked.gif) too much for me, but as I said, OK for others. The FK's are "budget" coilovers that are crap IMHO with the supplied top mount, ride is far too harsh and crashy, although I never found it bouncy, maybe I had it lowered too much ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) But with Bravo mounts it's much better, and I don't get any of that negative behavoir that Jimbo mentioned. Maybe I just don't push it hard enough, maybe Jimbo never had the FK's + bravo mounts on long enough. So good luck and thanjs to all those people prepared to spend a lot of time testing out alternatives for us ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) In my case I joined the first GB for FK's but by the time I eventually got around to fitting them most people had found that they weren't happy, but I stuck with them and then fitted the bravo top mounts, so much better.
1996 Portofino 20vt & 2000 Pearl White Plus 2008 Ferrari F430 & 2017 Fiat 124 Spider
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
[Re: DaveG]
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23/05/2009 22:44
23/05/2009 22:44
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Posts: 1,671 Newport,south wales
Benny
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My life on the forum
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Im not having a pop at Jimbo ![tongue tongue](/forum/images/graemlins/default/tongue.gif) thats me being grumpy ![blush blush](/forum/images/graemlins/default/blush.gif) I agree that other peoples suspension needs are different which are fine. Also like you i cant really justify spending 1k or more on other types of coilover. Well since fitting mine about two weeks ago w/bravo top mounts and finally geting the tracking and camber adjusted to -1.2deg yesterday, i was very impressed with how the coupe corners and performs ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) like yourself Dave i hav'nt experianced any bounceyness, this could be due to me only lowering it by the min of 30mm or me replacing both front inserts ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) Ben
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
[Re: Benny]
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17/06/2009 14:11
17/06/2009 14:11
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Graham
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Graham
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I need new suspension on my baby and missed the boat with the Bilstein increase.
I was going to go for Billies with standard springs. Would these ones be just as good (non adjustable ones)?
cheers
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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17/06/2009 14:17
17/06/2009 14:17
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Graham
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Jimbo
The link to Zagota Lancia is broken
Is there another stockist?
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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18/06/2009 06:39
18/06/2009 06:39
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Spee
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Jimbo
The link to Zagota Lancia is broken
Is there another stockist?
Try THIS ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) Gareth
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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22/06/2009 14:22
22/06/2009 14:22
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Graham
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Graham
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Has anyone tried the non adjustable ones with standard springs?
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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22/06/2009 15:22
22/06/2009 15:22
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Spee
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I don't think anyone on here has, but if you do, don't forget to do a write up!
I'm going for the adjustables, I'm just a control freak!
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
[Re: sandytim]
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26/07/2009 23:50
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Spee
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No Tim, I've hopefully secured some coil overs, but we'll see, I haven't got my sticky mits on them as yet.
Gareth
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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30/07/2009 10:37
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addict
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I have the adjustable Osravs, bought from Zagatos 3 years ago. The car handles very well, and neutral. Although its firm, its compliant. Normal ride height maybe 1cm lower. Just about to put Eibach Pro springs mainly for look.
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
[Re: sandytim]
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12/08/2009 12:30
12/08/2009 12:30
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My Eibachs are on, and in conjunction with the Osravs, I'd say its a bit bouncy for me. As the shocks are adjustable, I guess hardening them up might work. I'd be interested in talking to Zagato to see whether they offer a suspension balancing service. They emailed me back saying their mechanic is on holiday (this must be the aforementioned Clive?).
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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12/08/2009 13:44
12/08/2009 13:44
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nelson
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My Eibachs are on, and in conjunction with the Osravs, I'd say its a bit bouncy... Can you stiffen your damp/rebound settings and post a feedback after that? I'm willing to let go my almost new set of billies for the adjustable Osravs, but only if they stop the bouncy ride that I'm feeling with the Bilstein/eibach combo
Last edited by nelson; 12/08/2009 14:29.
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
[Re: Jimbo]
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12/08/2009 14:47
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addict
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Turn the damping up Forgive my ignorance, but can this be done with the allen key while the car is standing or does it need to be fully jacked up with no weight on the wheels?
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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#882015
12/08/2009 15:07
12/08/2009 15:07
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nelson
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I had some Konis on my Lancia Delta HF and just adjusted them with the car standing.
I hope Osravs work that way as well. Unfortunately, for what I know from Jimbo it only adjusts the fronts that way. The rears have to be removed for adjustment because you can't access them with the allen key, right?
Nonetheless, it seems to me that you can kill bouncing from rising damp/rebound on the fronts only and let the rears a little softer, thus preventing lift off oversteer
Last edited by nelson; 12/08/2009 16:00.
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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12/08/2009 17:08
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addict
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I've just been under the car, and at the back, you can access the nipple (ooh er) for the gas/air, but can't see the screw adjustment at all. The front can't see a thing as the cars too low.
I'd really prefer to get the car checked out by a professional, as who knows whether the current gas pressure is correct in the dampers to start!
I'll wait for the guy at Zagato to get back and discuss with him. Alternatively, can anyone recommend another garage that knows how to set up suspension on these cars, or indeed should any good sports car suspension tuner be ok?
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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12/08/2009 17:17
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nelson
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I've just been under the car, and at the back, you can access the nipple (ooh er) for the gas/air, but can't see the screw adjustment at all. The front can't see a thing as the cars too low. The rears have to be off because the adjuster is on top. The front adjusters are also on top, so you can access them easily. Just open the bonnet. Jimbo will probably arrive and can post a much more detailed info I presume
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
[Re: Jimbo]
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12/08/2009 19:03
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nelson
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The rears are adjusted up at the top of the damper, the damper needs to be dropped for that or have fingers like ET. (...) I'd just set them at half way through thier adjustment range and leave them at that. Hi Jimbo Thanks for your expertiies on this Some mate here on the forum is running with Osravs and he post that half way on rears is too hard for road use. IIRC, he posted that he's running on the 4th setup from softest. Well... I think it's a matter of personal taste here
Last edited by nelson; 12/08/2009 19:05.
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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12/08/2009 19:46
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Martijn
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That some mate should be Paul:
"Having to adjust the rears by removing them is a pain, I set them mid to start with 10 out of 20 "clicks" and they were far to hard for the road, I have now set them at 4 clicks off the soft setting from memory"
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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12/08/2009 19:47
12/08/2009 19:47
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nelson
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Thank you for that Matijn ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif)
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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12/08/2009 20:38
12/08/2009 20:38
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addict
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I just checked my fronts and they are set fully clockwise, which I think means they are at their hardest?! As I said feels like a stiff pogo stick (is that bouncy?)
If this is the only adjustment I can make, i'll try loosening off a few turns and see if that makes a difference...
PS: Jimbo, I have pm'ed you with my number.
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
[Re: Jimbo]
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13/08/2009 13:48
13/08/2009 13:48
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Martijn
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Martijn
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Hi Jimbo,
do you drive these KGA's with OSRAV springs, or an other brand? I am up to order the KGA's but am undecided for the springs yet. (OSRAV/Eibach/Apex?)
Last edited by Martijn; 13/08/2009 13:48.
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
[Re: Jimbo]
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13/08/2009 22:48
13/08/2009 22:48
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addict
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Just to say thanks to Jim for his help. I checked the full travel on my front shocks and its 5.5 full 360 degree turns from top to bottom. I set them at 3 turns which is just over half way hard. Feels nice, but will try out for a few days and decide if go harder still.
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers
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13/08/2009 23:03
13/08/2009 23:03
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nelson
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nelson
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Just to say thanks to Jim for his help. I checked the full travel on my front shocks and its 5.5 full 360 degree turns from top to bottom. I set them at 3 turns which is just over half way hard. Feels nice, but will try out for a few days and decide if go harder still. And bouncing??!
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