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Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: ] #721266
04/12/2008 20:20
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 Originally Posted By: Nobby
I think each exhaust primary has 2 outlets (1 to each turbo). Looks very complicated. Surely it would have been easier (possibly not as smooth) to have the 1st and 3rd ** cylinders in the cycle to 1 turbo and the other 2 to the 2nd turbo.


I still don't get it really

If you send half of each exhaust port to each turbo surely you are lowering the pressure driving each turbo - when the small turbo is trying to spool half of it's "driving" exhaust gases will be wasted to the big turbo

Scuderia emailed on diesel compounding turbo's for 60psi + plus boost which is the exhaust of the first turbo feeding the second turbo used on US tractor pull and race trucks. One turbo feeding it's outlet of intake air sraight into the "front cover" of the next turbo which compresses it again to make very hi boost levels.

or maybe he is planning a valve system like the supra OE

http://www.max-boost.co.uk/max-boost/supra/turbo.htm




Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: Saint] #721475
05/12/2008 00:13
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Who says they are 2 different size turbos's, they look the same size to me, i cant see it working very well running one turbo into the next turbo, its probably a simplified version of what lancia did in the late eighties with the ecv triflux engine

look here

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3221/2679058841_0196f9e5ce_m.jpg

Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: ] #721590
05/12/2008 07:40
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I believe the 2 turbos are the same size also. Twin turbos in parallel will always get half or a percentage of the exhaust flow each. 2 turbos in parallel is just like running a single larger turbo, there are no performance benefit.

Non sequential, twin parallel turbo setups are used by manufacturers for nothing other than space and packaging restraints. It makes common sense. More or less power has nothing to do with it. Twin parallel turbos on an I4 engine is really just for show.

I agree running #1&4 into one turbo and #2&3 into the other would be a better system that having in effect 2 seperate 4 branch headers, one for each turbo

Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: Scuderia] #721624
05/12/2008 09:57
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Twin turbo in parallel on inline engines has been used by Nissan and BMW for example. As did some version of the Supra and Volvo also used it.

It's meant to reduce lag. Two Turbo's spool up faster than one (inertia of the larger blades). Albeit marginally.


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Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: ] #1191884
27/03/2011 11:12
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Bringing up an old thread!!!

What a monster!!

Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: ] #1192040
27/03/2011 20:57
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Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: ] #1192084
27/03/2011 22:13
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1 little turbo for low down revs and torque and a big 1 for higher revs and even more torque smile just like the 3.0 twin turbo BMW 535d

Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: ] #1192089
27/03/2011 22:27
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i remember this post i wonder if theres been any vids yet


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Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: ] #1192323
28/03/2011 11:19
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Originally Posted By: robbo156
1 little turbo for low down revs and torque and a big 1 for higher revs and even more torque smile just like the 3.0 twin turbo BMW 535d


It is very hard to achieve that sequential boost pattern properly, and when you start to run high boost the transition between the turbos is a nightmare. I would never even consider trying to get that to work if you were designing the system from scratch.

Single turbo is the way to go - Simpler and less to go wrong, more space in the engine bay etc. I can't think of one highly tuned car that used / uses sequential turbos...

Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: ] #1363095
27/07/2012 01:34
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Anything new about this thread?

Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: ] #1385357
16/10/2012 14:26
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Any one seen anything new on this?

Re: 16v bi-turbo [Re: ] #1385360
16/10/2012 14:37
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nothing Gian... must be some where in the world...
not a lot comes up in a google search..

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