has to be a 20vt

20vt for me!

this is a 20vt 4x4,11 second quarters,not a coop though,it's the coops dad!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RrHSKM290js

I'd like to see a 20vt.

Found this vid of a 16vt 4x4...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hK5eVYwXEO8

By the way - that Tipo is BONKERS! (be quicker if he turned his lights off though )

Marcowind owns this italian 4x4 he posts mainly in the rr and tuning section.. some pretty impressive figures and times see here

16vt for me

as already said many times the 16vs are dying out whereas 20vts are plentyfull and cheap, it can be done to a 20vt so go for it(6 speeder pls )

in greece there are 2 20vt 4x4

And just for fun, here is a pic of Jay (Coupe Integrale)'s engine bay.

Crazy 4 x 4 coop

from memory

20vt 4X4 conv. means modified sump, shifting the engine on its mounts by a few cm, some work on mating it to the 5speed box, modified downpipe and a few more bits at the front I don't remember.
Donor is usually a dedra or 155 not a grale (but I don't remember why!)

I'm tempted in doing mine up now that the engine rebuilt project is over and I have some decent power, but not sure yet. The tank issue is bugging me tbh...

V.

Because the Dedra and 155 are a direct fit, the grale isn't (longer wheelbase i think, so would mean modified propshaft and then there is the mounting the diff at the back)

Oddly enough, I also voted 16v

I am lucky enough to have an integrale evo as well as the Coupe, and I have often wished for the running gear of the Lancia in the body of the Fiat, to make the perfect car.....

20VT gets my vote, as this engine is just so much nicer! Please keep us posted on this project! DBP

Hmmmmm, I could get rid of the Quattro for winter use then!!

Wouldn't really mind either, but I suppose my slight bias would be toward the 20VT.

4WD fun in a coupe, the perfect car??

Just stumbled onto this thread, have been turned to the dark side for the last couple of weeks working on a VW mk1 caddy.

Can't praise enough jowster and Ed for their work putting together the 4x4 coupe. It really is a cracker of a car.

Ok so it will probably loose a few car lengths to a 20vt on a straight bit of DC, but when it comes to twisty B roads it'll hold it's own. Not to mention the added the huge fun factor and security in wet/hazardous conditions.

A few bits still need tidying up. I'm planning to make up a new boot floor to cover the fuel tank and then finally the bodywork will be sorted out.

Any one in the gloucester/hereford/ross area wanting to have a spin in the car get in touch, will try to come along to some meetings this year too.

Hmmm, might take you up on that offer when I'm next down seeing the inlaws.

I too am fortunate enough to own an Evo as well as my LE and have almost the same hankering.......

What we both need to add to our little 'collection' is one of these...... HYENA

Coupe_Integrale: I like the integrale picture, it is a superb car to drive and still the only 4x4 coupe in the UK! and to boot it's based on the the most successful rally car ever; Lancia Delta won the World Rally Championship constructors titles 1987,1988,1989,1990,1991 and 1992.

With drive to the front wheels linked through a free-floating differential; drive to the rear wheels via a 56/44 front/rear torque-splitting (or later 47/53 for better tarmac performance) Ferguson viscous-coupling-controlled epicyclic central differential. Then at the rear a Torsen (torque sensing) rear differential. All Italian wonderful innovative stuff - no wonder it was so successful (and still in the latest PS3 games such as GT5).

As the delta stopped at evoluzione III, I think you should name yours;
Pininfarina Sports Coupe
Integrale Evoluzione III


Evo_number_one: Auto Integrale have a Lancia Hyena (a delta based coupe) - the Hyena sells for about £45K BTW. It has a Zagato body, and Lancia evoluzione 1 engine and running gear (just like coupe-Integrale's car), however I think the Pininfarina styled Fiat Coupe is far better looking.


The 20VT is winning the vote so far. Ed has agreed to go ahead with the 4x4 Integrale conversion that wins the most number of votes (we will count the votes on Friday evening)

Jowster,

Thanks for the link to the Hyena. Have only ever managed to sit in one, and while I would love one I have to agree that the FIAT Coupe (inerior styled by pininfarina) is far better looking.

Think you'll find that the Integrale stopped at Evo II. Evo III was a German media misconception, erroneously labelling either the 16v as an Evo I, or the "Final Edition" (all finished in FIAT Ducato van red) as an EVO III. Different Kraut publications list either of these as a 'III'.

Lancia never introduced an EVO III.


E_N_O

What would the front/rear torque balance be on a converted coupe if you used the Dedra/155 running gear?

Thanks

W

Front/rear torque split of Dedra Integrale is 56/44
Front/rear torque split of 155 Q4 is 47/53

You can change them...but both work well.

I guess finding a donor would be v.hard.

There is a 155Q4 on piston heads - far too much money for a car that has done 100K miles...I think so anyway.

Dedra Integrale's are cheaper (and just as good) but impossible to find in the UK (I think we may have used the last one in the UK on the last coupe Integrale 4x4 project!). But there are loads in Europe (and much cheaper the 155Q4's). I have a contact in Germany. He supplies lots of bits to the German Fiat Coupe Forum.

He has got me one; 1000 Euro's 70K miles - not bad, at least I think that's a good price. I will sell the engine, turbo etc, which will make almost the entire cost of the car back - so it will be free.....even better.

Well, my vote is for the 16v, not just because I have one, but because it is a legendary engine and has proven itself mated to all manner of fantastic vehicles.

Love the noise of the 16v, it sounds even standard, like a proper sports car, almost Ferrari esq despite the lac of cylinders, although the 5 pot is kind of meaty sounding too!

I have Guy Crofts legendary Twin Cam tuning book if you need any info from it.

Gareth

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Sorry i am unable to post it in sale topic because i am new here. But not new to coupe turbo or any lancia turbo engine


But as i wrote i have all parts for conversion and its a q4 drivetrain not a dedra integrales
Greets Klemnen

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HAve done it and i am waiting for anwser but no problem i have time

I've voted 16v as well, then I could make the 145 4wd to complement the 16vt lump.

My friend has allready made a 145 q4 when he sorts out my 155 q4 than and my other two frineds q4s well finish it so its ready for sale now it runs but its ugly.

We've seen a couple of different ones on the 145 forum, one even used the trailing arms for the rear setup!