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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
[Re: MattM]
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17/09/2007 22:21
17/09/2007 22:21
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h2ypr
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I'm just taking the mick cos i was the only one with a superchip. Yes i am running a de-cat, and the superchip is just a eprom chip. however it is giving me extra power and is not overfuelling as proved on rolling road. just seems a bit odd to me that all the standard cars ran around 220bhp but the ones with gtec ran less!? This is probably due to a better ebv in your car. Honestly. Ross
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
[Re: Flea]
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17/09/2007 22:32
17/09/2007 22:32
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Doctorfrag
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What does the boost actually read on your mechanical gauge as this will likely be more accurate than the Blitz for an absolute reading especially visually seeing what it spikes to? The heat won't be an issue on your first run especially if they have a good fan. It is only after a few runs that it starts to loose power from heat soak. That said, Joe does like to do the "max power" runs when the car is left on the rollers overnight so it is stone cold in the morning with cooler ambient temps... that does give you an extra 10-15bhp Cheeky Monkey ;), its like the kettle calling the pot black Mark, my 1.3 bar (midrange) runs used to give me around 330bhp, so if the boost recorded was off that would explain that, still strange that so many peeps found the same?, The Blitz records a peak value which can sometime be a bit off to the steady midrange value, I wonder where they measured the boost reading from? Is the boost guage reading similar to the Blitz Mark? Otherwise nice graphs, my last runs in the car were recorded with a hot car at 38degC, so ner! Otherwise as Leighton says ,looks nice and healthy Joe
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
[Re: MattM]
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17/09/2007 22:35
17/09/2007 22:35
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YellowcoupeTURBO
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just seems a bit odd to me that all the standard cars ran around 220bhp but the ones with gtec ran less!? I was the 1st on the RR & ran 231bhp with a Gtec1 & K&N at 1 bar
Last edited by YellowcoupeTURBO; 17/09/2007 22:36.
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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#437321
17/09/2007 22:41
17/09/2007 22:41
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yellow20vtbmx
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i was last ish on, first run made 212 running 1.1bar with gtec1 k&n filter and fmic, prv set to 1.1 kinda gutted with that performance. mate has a leon cupra r we did rolling start and the coop was much faster.
mixed feelings with the rest of the guys there about the rr, would be good to try somewhere else and compair cars,set-ups and rr's
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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#437328
17/09/2007 22:46
17/09/2007 22:46
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MattW
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i was last ish on, first run made 212 running 1.1bar with gtec1 k&n filter and fmic, prv set to 1.1 kinda gutted with that performance. mate has a leon cupra r we did rolling start and the coop was much faster.
mixed feelings with the rest of the guys there about the rr, would be good to try somewhere else and compair cars,set-ups and rr's what did your fuelling and boost graph look like?
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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17/09/2007 23:19
17/09/2007 23:19
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yellow20vtbmx
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max boost was 1.1bar @ 4300rpm. fueling at 13.2?
i understand the boost and vaguelly the afr
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
[Re: MattM]
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17/09/2007 23:35
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looks like Joe and Leighton have just jinxed me with saying the car is running healthy! i haven't had the car today with my mechanic mate having the car to take it for an MOT, but he was taking it there and the car lost power and oil was coming out from the oil cap! i'm not going to know the full extent until later this week when the head comes off! my mechanic thinks its the head gasket, but couldn't guarantee it until friday! but also said it could be lots of things such as pistons etc! Maybe time to go forged? Trying to remain upbeat, but it could be a lot worse, my mate feels really bad as he had the car when it happened, and is going to do the labour for free he knows his stuff aswell as he races stock cars with rover V8s planted in them! So ross we may have to delay the RR day!
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
[Re: MattM]
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17/09/2007 23:37
17/09/2007 23:37
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yellow20vtbmx
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art tuning in wakefield have just got a new rr aswell, guy does alot of jap stuff,seems to know his stuff, he's 5mins from work,im going to go speak to him see what he thinks
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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17/09/2007 23:41
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Matty
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looks like Joe and Leighton have just jinxed me with saying the car is running healthy! i haven't had the car today with my mechanic mate having the car to take it for an MOT, but he was taking it there and the car lost power and oil was coming out from the oil cap! i'm not going to know the full extent until later this week when the head comes off! my mechanic thinks its the head gasket, but couldn't guarantee it until friday! but also said it could be lots of things such as pistons etc! Oh dear. Glad to see you're thinking positive about it though mate.
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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17/09/2007 23:46
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yellow20vtbmx
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that sucks, hope you get it sorted mate
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
[Re: Flea]
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18/09/2007 00:03
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i should know more later in the week anyway once my mate gets down to work on it! but he can only look at it from thursday! the one week when something goes wrong he has to be away on a course i haven't had a proper chance to talk to him yet as he's working but will post up when i get more info there isn't much point getting down about it, it isn't going to get me anywhere, the racelogic traction control will just have to wait. i guess it was my time to suffer the downsides of having a tuned coupe! Mark
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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18/09/2007 02:01
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eldinho
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i'll post this on technical problems so i don't change the topic
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
[Re: cowboy]
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18/09/2007 02:38
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eldinho
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it will probably get me down in the next few days, i think this time it might be the actual cost that gets me down rather than being without it. i only live 2 miles from work so can quite easily get there. it makes it so much better when you get it back.
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
[Re: cowboy]
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18/09/2007 04:11
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Just as an interesting point for everyone...
The gtech is comprised of all the best bits of the squadra, novitech, millenium, superchip, *something*star chips. So its unlikely that the superchip would be a better chip all round than the gtech.
Ross
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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18/09/2007 13:19
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Just as an interesting point for everyone...
The gtech is comprised of all the best bits of the squadra, novitech, millenium, superchip, *something*star chips. So its unlikely that the superchip would be a better chip all round than the gtech.
Ross TBH Ross I haven't got a problem with the Gtech1 chip. The only reason I put the standard chip back in was due to the overboosting problem - once the Greddy's been fitted and my boost levels are solidly adjustable then the Gtech is likely to go back in.
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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#437953
18/09/2007 19:12
18/09/2007 19:12
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MattW
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Here are my graphs, what do you make of them? Graph 1 - BHP and Torque at the flywheel Graph 2 - Boost and fuelling, plus BHP at the wheels in the top right
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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#438223
19/09/2007 00:41
19/09/2007 00:41
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sorry I had to rush off yesterday, just got back now. My results were 215 bhp at the fly, 180 at the wheels, with: Gtech 2 GTi-R Hybrid Turbo Pace FMIC Straight Induction pipe K&N Cone Blueflame 3" turbo back with decat Forge DV006 Walbro 255 fuel pump + wiring mod Blitz i-D 3 boost controller just under 1.2 bar at 4500rpm according to the graph. I was expecting upwards of 250 bhp so 215 was disappointing, just had a full service at motormech and engine and turbo are in excellent condition. I was told the reason it was down was because it's running rich. 2000-3750rpm = 14.5 ~ 15 AFR 3750-4250rpm = drops to 11 AFR 4250-7000rpm = drops to 10 AFR Any advice? Would I be better switching from Gtech 2 to Gtech 1, or a different chip altogether? I cant afford £500 for a live map! Thanks MattW: I still use the standard TB28 and got 274 hp / 281 lb/ft. You can see my mods in this thread: The Swedes second RR Something is clearly wrong with your engine. You should, after installing a hybrid turbo, see at least 280-290 hp or close to that. I hope you find the problem as soon as possible
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
[Re: Freddan72]
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19/09/2007 00:50
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^ Thats good results on a standard Turbo, I moved my problems out of this thread onto this one.
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
[Re: Freddan72]
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19/09/2007 14:21
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That's a VERY good result for the standard turbo. I could only get 240 bhp out of mine with a boost controller, FMIC (probably too big for the turbo TBA, and exhaust + pannel filter).
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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19/09/2007 14:26
19/09/2007 14:26
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h2ypr
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That's a VERY good result for the standard turbo. I could only get 240 bhp out of mine with a boost controller, FMIC (probably too big for the turbo TBA, and exhaust + pannel filter). Wouldnt the FMIC just strangle the spool up? Ross
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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19/09/2007 14:30
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Well - the top end also felt pants. It could have been the turbo on it's way out though.... no other reason for it as the engine was fine + when a hybrid went on it jumped to 280 bhp.
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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19/09/2007 14:35
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h2ypr
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I was just wondering if the FMIC done anything else.... that was all! As i have said i made crap power on the gt28r... it was all down to boost. Ross
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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20/09/2007 20:47
20/09/2007 20:47
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eldinho
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one more thing to say about the results for that day! my mate in his CTR spoke to the owner of TDI North (Honda Specialists) and he has never seen a CTR with a torque figure as low as what my mate got and thought that the dyno must be wrong. anyway he's going on their rollers in a couple of weeks so will be a good comparison! Mark
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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20/09/2007 20:50
20/09/2007 20:50
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h2ypr
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CTR's have low torque figures stnd tho? 147lb/ft against 197 bhp?
I believe with the multitude of results there *could* be a problem with the rollers, but everyone who got a low result, i can see an explanation for.
Ross
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Re: RacingLine RR 15/09/07
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20/09/2007 20:55
20/09/2007 20:55
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eldinho
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yeah they do have a low torque figure, but he got about 15/20 lb/ft lower than standard! and his isn't standard!
i dont think all people who got low figures have an explanation, what was the reason for yellow20vtbmx low figure? he got 212bhp i beleive with gtec and FMIC.
i still don't think my result was correct, and the way the boost figures were incorrect doesn't fill me with confidence.
Mark
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