ive seen in a few adverts now and i had some chav say the other day that the engine in my sprint blue was crap compared to my red one because its not a red top!

pmsl!!!!!

what a bunch of idiots!
they are identical engines! thay all are!
a painted roker cover dont mean fooook all!

dikkks

LOL they haven't got a clue!!!

and theres an add on ebay saying that the engines are good for 400+bhp on std internals!

some people!! lol

Yes i have this all the time. People argue with me till there purple in the face.

Ive had some right arguements with engine hunters over it, got a looser up north i had a classic argument with, kept calling for gearbox's claims he blows up a gearbox every month as his car is so rude, clutches in 2 weeks, said the red top engine is so mental. Then he asks me is it hard to change a gearbox, how much should i pay!!!! Every fccccuking month the muppet called me, "hello i need a gearbox for a red top engine" im like oh fcuk you again. Never bought one, always ok im on my way. What a looser. Got to the point i saved all the numbers in my phone as red top retard.

Stems from the old vauxhall red tops doesnt it.

It's because of the old Astra's

The red top ones were 16v, as compared to the older 8v ones.

A few years ago, anyone that did a 'red top' conversion was a God and had all the power in the world

Oooooh, it's a red top oooooh, was the saying

Maybe he thinks Coupes are the same

We used to get milk that was red top. i used to drink it much faster than the silver top stuff

well im painting mine red and chrome because it looks better

you do realise doing that will double your power output!!!

lol

red top butty!! cavalier commando crew!

as it goes in the welsh valleys!

essex boys had the orion, valleys boys have the red top cav butt!

i bet there are more vauxhall red tops in other cars than in 16v astra gtes now!!

They're all in corsa's around my way ~ easy coupe meat though

There was a mini with 2 red top engines in it at trax!!!

You better tell your insurance company too!

Does that mean my blue rocker cover won't give me an extra 50bhp when I get it on the rollers? These powder coating firms are right cowboys - I wouldn't have done it otherwise.

Better point out to the redtop boys you have a LET

I used to have a red top engine in a Westfield, they're quite a nice engine, 2.0 NA 16v, produced a reliable 230bhp. Cost a lot to build though. There are plenty of them about so the cost of the engine is quite cheap to start with.

A standard red top better than a standard 20vt though, please?!!!

230bhp from a nasp redtop! surely not!???

it is possible, a friend runs one in his rally car, don't know what he has done to it, still running EFI and is putting out 180-190bhp!!
run on throttle bodies and other nice bits they can make over 200bhp quite easily apparently.

mmmm, quite easily i'm not so sure.
A friend of mine is into his Calibra's, has a turbo & a 16v red top. He usually bores me going on about red top engines.
They can be tuned fairly well, but easily?
Well it can be done but it costs & not worth it.

Surely all carl needs is a can of red spray and a metal stamp marked "Red Top Compatible" and he can charge a premium (with the aid of the can of spray or a hammer) for "red top" parts.

In fact why not go the whole hog and rename his business Fiat Red Top Tuning - Advertising strap line as follows -
"An idiot in need is a friend indeed"

Oi!


I resemble that remark

I was thinking that reading CarlTs post. I'd have a special box of red painted stuff for the muppet and rinse him dry! Seriously, sell a few bits on EBay advertised as such and we'll all have a look at the comments/ questions!

Yep, I've got one but it's in a Westfield

Very possible, but it costs a lot - overbored to just under 2.2, accralite pistons, oversized valves, flowed head, very wild cams, throttle bodies, equal length exhaust manifold etc.

It was a very reliable engine when it was built, it took a lot of abuse but was looked after and survived many track days and many road miles, can't fault it and it sounded awesome on the tb's

They struggled to rr it as the westfield was hard to strap down, combined with the fact it had no weight and harsh power delivery, I think I was hated at that rr!

Stock they are 150bhp, same as Fiats 2.0 16v, Alfa's TS. Similar levels of power are available from them following the same route, it just costs more to tune the Italian NA stuff to that level.

Red top in my book means C20 XE. Cracking engine from the heydey of 16v hot hatches. Great engine, with another kick as the second cam kicks in.

very true, i have the inferior ecotec engine in my astra 2.0 sport and at about 4000rpm you can feel and hear the second cam come in, probably why it uses more fuel than the coupe, mostly it is over 4000rpm!!!
would make a great road rally car, tempted but not enough funds

To get over 200bhp from a 2 lr N/a engine is very, very difficult. Even then you still have to think about it having crappy idle with nutty cams etc.

I had one in my Astra Gte 16v - cracking motor, 156 bhp as standard - bye bye Golf Gti 16v !

remember toca cars are 300 bhp n/a 2 litres

Too vague, depends what 2ltr you are talking about 2ltr pinto sure very difficult, 2ltr Mi16 no so difficult.


Older Super tourers put out about 320-330 bhp like the honda accords, Nissan Primeras when they all had dry sumps.
Rich