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Re: F1 championship finale
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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16/12/2021 12:36
16/12/2021 12:36
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Begbie
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A good summary andyps, and I like the name "Christian Whinger Spice" Brilliant! ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif) Another thing I thought was odd was that when they finally started racing again on the final lap, Max was pretty much level with Lewis rather than being in a clear gap behind (not that it would have made any difference). A disappointing end for sure, ruined only by on-the-spot rule changes (I would have been happy for Max to win if he had been in the lead during that final safety car period) I was taught when doing my race licence qualification at Knockhill that “level isn’t overtaking” so, whilst you shouldn’t fall back too far, provided you don’t actually overtake (get your nose ahead - which Merc claimed Max did) you can draw level. I loved Whinger Spice too ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif) But Max did get ahead of Lewis albeit briefly, but the FIA said due to the way they were speeding up and slowing down, then no penalty was given, which I get, but surely what is the point in having rules saying you shouldn't over take a car under the safety car. Also, I've seen salty spice been given to Christian too ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif)
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Re: F1 championship finale
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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16/12/2021 12:50
16/12/2021 12:50
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andyps
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Mercedes have withdrawn their appeal (as was always likely), based on reassurances from the FIA that they will conduct a thorough enquiry into what happened and prevent it happening again. Not looking good for Masi, I suspect.
Very importantly, Mercedes have issued a statement accepting the result and congratulating Red Bull and Max. This allows everyone to move on to changing the system so that this situation cannot arise again.
I've struggled to understand why the teams have access to the race director in the way we've seen and heard this year. It's like footballers surrounding the ref. Adding drama for entertainment maybe, but we've seen why it doesn't work.
The contact should be one way: if the race director asks you for your input, you give it, then shut up.
At most, teams should be able to submit a request for their opinion to be considered.
All communications can be recorded and released post race to preserve transparency, but there is absolutely no need for teams to pressure officials. I'm glad in some ways to see the appeal withdrawn - mainly because the championship shouldn't be decided away from the track. I'm not optimistic about the FIA thorough inquiry, however, after their statement last night that effectively blamed fans and others for the confusion. As well as a new race director I can't help feeling they need a new communications director too!
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Re: F1 championship finale
[Re: barnacle]
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16/12/2021 20:08
16/12/2021 20:08
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MeanRedSpider
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The huge elephant in the room is that as was pointed out earlier: F1 is no longer about which team is capable of building and driving a faster car, but on maximising the cash inflow to the owners. And that helps no-one but the owners. was it REALLY any different?
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Re: F1 championship finale
[Re: barnacle]
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17/12/2021 10:55
17/12/2021 10:55
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The huge elephant in the room is that as was pointed out earlier: F1 is no longer about which team is capable of building and driving a faster car, but on maximising the cash inflow to the owners. And that helps no-one but the owners. yes totally agree , far far more than before , obviously money has always "came into ' the equation , I think for the past 10-20 years money 'is' the equation , and yes as a Ferrari fan that suited them ( and err me ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) ) , but hopefully the cap will help bring some smaller teams into F! and freshen it up , wether they will be able to compete or not is anther matter .. certainly seems to be a few good drivers coming tho , to fill any drives Oscar Piastri for one. on the Ferrari note , I was more than surprised at Carlos's showing in the car in his 1st season , I thought Leclerc , would have bossed him a bit, but most certainly not the case, very impressed by him
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Re: F1 championship finale
[Re: Cooperman]
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17/12/2021 12:28
17/12/2021 12:28
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There's an old joke in F1: Q: How do you become a millionaire through formula one? A: Start off as a billionaire
The budgets are so colossal that even most manufacturers struggle to justify an F1 programme, particularly at a time when everyone's heads are turned towards electricity. So where does that leave the plucky, less corporate teams? Williams hung on as a privateer for too long and although it was emotional, it wasn't pretty. Thankfully, it looks as though the team has a brighter future now. I'm amazed Gene Haas hasn't pulled the plug, but if 2022 doesn't bring some success, I reckon he'll go. And if Lawrence Stroll can make Aston a financial success on or off the track, I'll be very impressed. Long story short, you need very very deep pockets to play at this table. Not to mention the ability to attract engineers who are borderline genius as well as drivers who are supremely talented on the track and marketing gold off it. A few decades ago, the prize fund contributed a sizeable proportion of a team's budget - and Ferrari twisted the FIAs arm into the most outrageously unjust division of the spoils, based on the dubious proposition that F1 needed Ferrari more than vice versa. I think the last few seasons have demonstrated the fallacy of that - whatever the historical situation. But these days, the multi-million dollar partnerships that all teams have embraced are what literally keep the wheels turning. Sponsorship and marketing owns the sport (like most others at the top level), but I'm not sure it reduces the on track drama. Will the cost cap change the game? I think it depends on how good the players are at bending the rules. And F1 teams are experts at that.
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