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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Nigel - similarly, epically loud sounds like the effect we're after (though perhaps not after a 2-hour drive...), but would "lengths of pipe" meet with plod's approval? Shouldn't be a problem - at the end of the day, the backboxes are just a length of pipe anyway - its just that one bit is very fat. You're simply replacing the fat bit (ie the silencer) with a narrow bit. As long as it's secure, plod should have no issues (unless the noise is breaking windows, setting off alarms at 200 yards and causing kittens to go deaf.... )
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Will you start wearing a carcoat, and a trilby, smoking cigars and asking Dave in The Winchester for a large VAT, Arfur? Whats' this "Will you start" stuff! Ah good point!!
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Will you start wearing a carcoat, and a trilby, smoking cigars and asking Dave in The Winchester for a large VAT, Arfur? Whats' this "Will you start" stuff! How very dare you? Terence, show these gentlemen The door!
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Hmm. Some research indicates that exhaust noise is a very grey area - legally speaking. This information from the VCA suggests 74dB is the limit for new petrol on-road cars. It also reckons that a car should not make more noise than it did when the model was type approved. I had no idea that people were such killjoys! Might still try it anyway, just be sensible when in built up areas, late at night, etc. The issue for those trying to slap penalty notices on motorists is how to prove the infringement, given the difficulty of recreating the particular conditions used to take the original readings.
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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I think you are worrying too much about exhaust noise. Used to run my A35, with 5.7 sbc on the road with next to no silencing. never had any plod problems. currently driving around in totally un silenced 1641cc Volksrod. 4 pipes straight out from engine. again no probs from plod
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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The other major weak point is the Ford gearbox. A fluid change every 50-70k miles is essential. At least it uses cheap Dexron III and is easy-ish to do. I really would not try and get more power out of it as you will send that 5R55N to an early grave.
Drop links and ABRs rattle. New links and bushes and good alignment is essential for the car to feel nice. The front brakes are a bit small and don't suit low-friction pads. Buy the best you can get (Jaguar/Jurid 233).
There is a longer list of secondary problems that you might experience but the jaguarforum.com guys are pretty knowledgeable and friendly as long as you keep away from the political discussions!
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Not convinced remapping an N/A is going to achieve anything but the lighter wallet might improve the power to weight ratio Heating: look into the heater distribution valve. Almost certainly dead (hopefully it has not taken the controller board out as well). Awkward job. Rear passenger door lock: Had that one. Crappy microswitch in the locks. I would be tempted to replace the lock sooner rather than later in case it decides to jam locked. Usually means destroying the door card to get in and makes a fiddly job even harder. Window regulators have some plastic parts that age and break. Can be cheaply replaced. Otherwise a complete new regulator is required but even they are not too much dosh. Btw, the adjusters in the headlights do this too and the headlight point down just in front of the bumper Again a cheap part but the bumper has to come off to take the headlight out for the minor surgery. I think the S-Type was very much underrated. Its deficiencies were not significant and now that it is old, the old looks fit. Look at an old Merc or BMW form the turn of the century and they look just plain old Edit: There is a control pack in the drivers door which might be the cause of the problems with the mirrors ...
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Hi Jim, how's the Jag coming on?
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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30/09/2017 21:27
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We kept speculating as to how the Jag will sound in comparison to the legion of delicious V8's on display today. Time will tell - it's off to Pro Speed in a week... Hopefully, it may spend time in Flea's tender care afterwards...! To me, who values engine sound above car looks and handling dynamics, I'm drooling at the thought of how your Jag may sound. Never had a V8, although I'm up to a V6. Who are Prospeed?
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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The first thing I will say about our Jag's exhaust saga is that the result is - unequivocally - fabulous. Unfortunately, I didn't record the subtle tones of the V8 before we took the car to Cardiff, so I can't do a before and after. We always intended to find a way to make the car sound better - why have a V8 and bark yourself? - and with the recommendation from Gripped of this Parish, we decided to get a bespoke system made up by Pro-Speed and its owner, Charlie. The idea was to have a system with switchable electronic valves offering butter-wouldn't-melt whispering on one setting and yikes-what's-that?! on the other. We duly delivered the Jag to Cardiff on 7th October, with the promise that it would be ready in a week to two weeks. The workshop looked a bit back-street, but hey, that's how true geniuses work. Whilst there, we selected some tasty twin oval rolled tips to complement the install. We finally got the car back last Thursday, after 2 trips to Wales in the intervening weeks where we had been assured that it would be ready, but it wasn't. Excuses included: - One of his workers had caught his hand in a chop saw and his parents were suing - Gypsies had broken in to the workshop and stolen our exhaust - Charlie had had to sack another of his crew, putting him behind schedule - Someone had suffered a heart attack in the workshop. Some or all of these may not actually be true. Either way, every time another hold-up occurred, we begged Charlie to simply pick up the phone and tell us. In the end, we were left feeling strongly that all was not well in Charlie's life. And we didn't get the twin tips... No question, the man can build an exhaust, but he needs to sort himself and his communications skills out. Anyway, here's the bit you've been waiting for... S-Type with new "normal" exhaust S-Type with "Blimey!" valves open
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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26/11/2017 23:31
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Well, what can I say. It does sound awesome. I also think those end pipes suit the car well. Sorry you had a poor experience along the way Jim. Having only used Prospeed the once, I can only go on my own experience which has been fine. I was also recommended them by someone else who is a proper tuning fiend. I hope you feel it was worth the trip. Maybe he bit off more than he could chew or as you say, there are other issues going on. Last time I saw him, he was wearing a back brace ! I'd like to hear another video of it under load driving past at full throttle !
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Sounds fantastic Jim. Lovely rasp and bite on V open. Video was a bit short mate.... More needed and a drive by...
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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28/11/2017 13:30
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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I'll try to take some more in the next few days, but we're a man down at work and the Panda is having work done then vinyl put on, so the Jaaaaaaaaag is not getting much attention!
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Thanks for the comments - I keep persuading anyone within a wide radius to come and listen! Actually, anyone within a pretty wide radius gets to hear it anyway...
Interesting that you had a difficult customer experience, Morrison.
I have no problem at all with Charlie's work - he's done a terrific job, which alone justifies Gripped's recommendation and I'm very grateful for that - cheers, Toby!
My fear is that Charlie is - for whatever reason(s) not running his business or managing his workload well. He is clearly stressed out and his communications are terrible. I'm told he is sometimes sleeping at his unit, which sounds like someone with a zero work-life balance. The bottom line is that although it was a pretty tedious experience for us, we ended up worried for Charlie, his reputation and his business.
Hopefully, he can turn it around and generate more customers who are happy with the whole journey!
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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That's epic Jim. Nothing quite like a subtle addition to the paintwork. As for the noise, I hear it getting quieter and more muffled at the end. Assume that's when the switch was pressed to engage all the silencers? Good noise. Still need some drive pasts though.
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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I could see them yesterday Jim,but not now.
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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If you have a little more in the budget, the the 4.2 V8 is more desirable mainly because the ZF gearbox is a lot better than the Ford one. Also the dash is more old-school Jaguar-like. However, they are not that common. The V6 was the bigger seller before the diesel came along. Both gearboxes need regular oil changes though.
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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The 4.2 is quite a bit better but not much more money these days The Ford gearbox takes the edge of the 4.0's performance and seems to fail more frequently. It is barely faster than the early 3.0 V6 manuals. The later V6s are a bit slower but more economical. The 3.0 V6 with the Ford box is terrible imho. If V6, then manual or ZF auto (2002.5 facelift model from around Jan 2002 onwards). Used, the 4.2 n/a must be the best buy.
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Apart from the obvious, check for a jerky gearbox, the windows work, door locks work, heater goes hot and cold, clonking from the suspension (which might be just the drop links) and rusting sills under the plastic covers. They are solid cars but do often suffer from niggling faults which might cost a lot in parts. Some of the jobs are fiddly so cheaper used parts that also fail a short time later might be frustrating.
Is there a link to the car near you?
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Certainly looks worth popping over to see. The steering wheel and driver's seat look well worn though for 130k No lumbar support. Was an option and many found that they should have ordered it. Check. XENON HEADLIGHTS? They look like std halogens that have gone a bit dull. I would check the rest of the spec. Premium sound had a subwoofer and amp under the parcel shelf, etc. and I think labeled Alpine.
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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I did note that, and the xenon headlights, some one got happy with the features option I think..... Just took a look at the mot history and maybe ill skip it, the add paints a very different picture to the car which seems to have corrosion issues and needs brake lines.
2006's list that dont really look like they were addressed
Reason(s) for failure Anti-lock braking system warning lamp indicates an ABS fault (3.4.1c) Brake fluid warning lamp illuminated (3.6.G.2) Offside Front Braking system leaking brake pipe (3.6.A.1) Brake hydraulic reservoir fluid level below minimum level (3.6.G.1b) Nearside Stop lamp not working (1.2.1b) Nearside Rear position lamp(s) not working (1.1.A.3b) Exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive (7.3.D.3) Nearside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded outer sill area (2.4.A.3) Offside Rear Tyre tread depth below requirements of 1.6mm (4.1.E.1) Service brake: efficiency below requirements (3.7.B.7) Parking brake: efficiency below requirements (3.7.B.7) Advisory notice item(s) Rear Brake pipe slightly corroded both sides (3.6.B.2c) Offside Rear Inner Brake pad(s) wearing thin (3.5.1g) Rear brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (3.5.1i) e.m.l on Nearside Rear Radius arm ball joint dust cover deteriorated, but preventing the ingress of dirt (2.4.G.2) Offside Rear Radius arm ball joint dust cover deteriorated, but preventing the ingress of dirt (2.4.G.2) Nearside Rear Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a pin/bush (2.4.G.2) brake test not done due to brake fluid leak
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Yeh, I have gone though a few I thought were worth while, some people are incredibly disingenuous about state of cars. There was an Xk8 local, add shows full mot, it was tested a few weeks back and failed and has hols in the floor! XK8 floors are regular rust spots which are quite easily fixed, there is a plate under the floor which is a moisture trap - I sprayed grease from an aerosol between the plate and floor anytime I was under it and didn't get an issue. The 4.2 us a better engine as the chain tensioners don't need replacing, if that is needed on a 4.0 the repair can cost what the saving between models might be.
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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Jim. I want your garage.
And, still awaiting the elusive drive by video....
Come on Jimmy ! My garage? That's my place of business! The Jag is back in the unit to be flatted and cut and polished, after which a drive-by *might* happen. God knows when we'll find the time as we currently have 2 other (less exciting) projects, along with normal work. We have been asked to paint a light aircraft and we have bought a touring caravan that we are gutting and turning into an office...
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Re: Ropey 4.0 V8 Jag? What could possibly, etc...
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My garage? That's my place of business!
The Jag is back in the unit to be flatted and cut and polished, after which a drive-by *might* happen. God knows when we'll find the time as we currently have 2 other (less exciting) projects, along with normal work.
We have been asked to paint a light aircraft and we have bought a touring caravan that we are gutting and turning into an office...
Well, it looks like a nice garage and so I still want it Fingers crossed for the drive-by. Sounds like you're diversifying rather well there Jim.
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My garage? That's my place of business!
The Jag is back in the unit to be flatted and cut and polished, after which a drive-by *might* happen. God knows when we'll find the time as we currently have 2 other (less exciting) projects, along with normal work.
We have been asked to paint a light aircraft and we have bought a touring caravan that we are gutting and turning into an office...
Well, it looks like a nice garage and so I still want it Wait till you see his filing cabinet
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