@MRS, although your tireless contributions had me likening you to Peter Sellers' 'dying trumpeter' character - nothing personal here by the way! - I admire your persistence in that it has finally brought out the recent eloquent posts (Downhillryder, andyps) which very much sum up my own views but are articulated in a much better way.

It also heralds the cooling-down that is needed after a week of turmoil, which, to be honest we knew would happen maybe either way, but likely more so with the actual result.

Although contingency plans were made by some parties, and quickly referred to by Mark Carney in first instance, the newness of the situation must have made it quite difficult to have precise plans in place as it would have meant engaging the deal-making skills of those countries Britain has just left. It's not a habit of people in power to make hypothetical judgements, let alone publicly, and the media never seems to learn this in their unceasing efforts to probe such ideas from their victims.

We won't have seen the last of the reaction, but I suspect that the withdrawal of Boris Johnson for a start will be a glimmer of relief for not a few folk.

What I can't agree with is our all-too frequent propensity to funnel our wrath and indignation into one person alone - the vilification of Johnson by Helseltine doesn't really help anything and is just as much a smokescreen to save the hides of his fellow party members and indeed David Cameron who in his wisdom called this refendum. Neither was he solely to blame - the 'unrest' has been simmering for a while now, even perhaps as far back as the Iraq war protests and revelations, triggering major issues of trust.

Similarly Jeremy Corbyn is being crucified...whether he is thought to be a leader or not, he is certainly not responsible for making up the minds of voters. Education, experience and the correct age are.

I just wanted to understand what it was people were thinking was going to happen when they voted out. I am interested to see what is actually going to happen now and exactly who is going to lead it - that's far from clear.

It's certainly been spectacular today.

Et tu, Brute?

I noticed (remarkably) the URL of this and may well be the only person around who didn't know this seems to have something to do with online petitions....this particular site didn't appear to acknowledge the existence of the (to me) pointless current one attracting an apparent 4 million signatures

On another note, our lad's significant other, from near Barcelona, has lived and worked in Britain for probably half her life. Faced with the lengthy procedure of the citizenship application she has until now procrastinated about completing it. 10 days ago or so sparked a sudden flurry of activity....

Although I haven't asked her opinions on the UK issue it's interesting to conjecture considering the national fervour of the Catalunyans.

My understanding (which is critical to at least 3 of my team in the UK) is that if you've been here 5(?) years, you have automatic right to stay.

Anita certainly hopes that with twenty years residence and marriage for ten of those to me, there should be no issues.

I've just started the process to become registered as a German resident; I can't even get an appointment before September...

I discovered yesterday that Laura is legally classed as an Irish citizen due to her mother being born in Drogheda.

We don't intend to act on it but it's good to know she has the option.

Which? That mother was born in Ireland? Hahahaha! Very poor background knowledge there!

She's got my vote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hNzbDP9ll4&feature=youtu.be

Twas a joke as you originally said ... You discovered yesterday ..... Hence me saying what I said

Yeah, didn't get that. Sorry.

She's brilliant. It helps if you're from the Black Country to understand some of the stuff she comes up with

I might plumb for an Austrian passport, quite nice over there.....

10 month highs for FTSE - No wonder George Osborne is in hiding.

100 or 250?

With the £ so weak, shares on the FTSE are a bargain. But the FTSE 100 has little to do with the UK - these are mostly global companies (their value hasn't dropped, so their price in £ goes up).

Interest rates will drop even further, weakening the £ further and damaging the savings rates of those older people that have savings. UK property will seem even cheaper to the Chinese, Russians and Indians as will UK businesses.

Exports will boom meanwhile imports - including petrol, heating oil and food - will become more expensive. Good news for UK manufacturers (of which there aren't very many) not so good for the UK poor (of which there are a few - possibly the notional Brexiteers)

After working for ONS for years, interviewing people, you are living in cloud-cuckoo land if you think the middle classes won,t have voted for Brexit .I take it you are calling half of Devon,Cornwall, Kent etc etc idiots for voting Brexit.Hardly areas riddled with the lower classes i would think. People voted Brexit to control immigration by way of an Auusie style system. REgarding the post about savers suffering because of lack of interest in their savings accts, i would have thought they would be used to that by now, as its been so bloody low for years. If there is one good thing to come out of all this, is that Cameron and Corbyn should be gone by Xmas.

Nope those areas aren't necessarily filled with "lower classes" - but plenty of older people - especially Devon and Cornwall where people retire. They are also areas where there's plenty of agriculture and tourism which aren't typically well-paid. Kent is an area that's always been pretty UKIP-friendly. The greatest Out vote seems to be in Lincs - again, farming area. Let's remember though that it was 52-48.

I tend to think of Cameron as pretty good as politicians go (which is a low bar) - better than pretty much any option to replace him.