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Re: I told you so... [Re: barnacle] #1578313
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The young people were passionate voters - it's their future after all. They are also a generation that apparently is less selfish. The older ones seem to be more focused on what's good for them

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The young people were passionate voters - it's their future after all. They are also a generation that apparently is less selfish. The older ones seem to be more focused on what's good for them


Or putting right what they felt they did wrong in the 70's?

(Devils advocate)

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Ha - The UK was in a shocking state in the 70's smile

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I meant the voting into the EU.

Yes it was, can't argue with that!

(Hope you're enjoying the not personal debates BTW)

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Originally Posted By: MeanRedSpider
The young people were passionate voters - it's their future after all. They are also a generation that apparently is less selfish. The older ones seem to be more focused on what's good for them


Oh Richard, of course people are going to vote for the way they see things as is exactly you're seeing things from your side of the fence.....


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Ha - The UK was in a shocking state in the 70's smile


Well Richard you must have been one serious youngster in the 70's to observe what was going on, in your neck of the woods. I was married & my stomping ground was stress free, work was always available & my glass was always half full..... smile


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Ha - The UK was in a shocking state in the 70's smile


Well Richard you must have been one serious youngster in the 70's to observe what was going on, in your neck of the woods. I was married & my stomping ground was stress free, work was always available & my glass was always half full..... smile


My teenage years, Jim. I saw the result in the 80s in the places I worked which were on their very last legs. I went around Dagenham Ford Factory - what a mess. The rot set in in the early 70s.

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I meant the voting into the EU.

Yes it was, can't argue with that!

(Hope you're enjoying the not personal debates BTW)


Yes - I don't mean any of this to be personal - I want to play the ball not the man

Re: I told you so... [Re: jimboy] #1578327
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The young people were passionate voters - it's their future after all. They are also a generation that apparently is less selfish. The older ones seem to be more focused on what's good for them


Oh Richard, of course people are going to vote for the way they see things as is exactly you're seeing things from your side of the fence.....


As I've said in other threads too, I'm worried for many of the very people who voted out. I know I'm fine and I'm lucky enough not to need to be personally concerned about the outcome. I've had some very senior roles in some big companies where decisions are made on strategy and investment. I work in regulation and I work globally (I even have the word "Global" in my job title). I believe I have a better-than-average understanding how this will impact us. I have about 100 people reporting to me - about half in the UK (25% of which aren't British) and half in Singapore/Malaysia. I have to think about where I'm going to find scarce skills and I need to think about how these changes will affect how we do business in other countries (pretty much every country). I've just come back from living in Amsterdam - I worked with a huge variety of nationalities.

I want what's going to be best for the average person in the street. I'm just frustrated that most of the people have made, what I honestly believe, is the wrong decision. They've made it now - I'm disappointed for them and I just need to vent a bit.

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I should add that one of my most junior guys who has been in the UK for 13 years, has two kids here and does a great job with a rare skill was truly and properly scared today.

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Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie
I meant the voting into the EU.


We didn't actually get to vote whether we joined the EU (or EEC) back in the 70's BM. That decision was made by the then government.

What we actually had was a referendum whether to remain in it.

Interestingly enough, all those expats living in other EEC countries were specifically excluded from voting.

That seemed particularly unjust to me as my wife and I potentially had the most to lose and we were among those excluded.


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Expats were only excluded if they had not lived in the uk for a number of years think it's 15 I cannot remember! Lot of changes in 15 years
My mum And dad , who moved to Spain in 2003 voted! Dad is Italian so is not aloud to vote! Even though he's lived in the uk for 50 odd years! Rules are rules no problem with that!

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Originally Posted By: MeanRedSpider
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Ha - The UK was in a shocking state in the 70's smile


Well Richard you must have been one serious youngster in the 70's to observe what was going on, in your neck of the woods. I was married & my stomping ground was stress free, work was always available & my glass was always half full..... smile


My teenage years, Jim. I saw the result in the 80s in the places I worked which were on their very last legs. I went around Dagenham Ford Factory - what a mess. The rot set in in the early 70s.



Well Richard there we have it, I obviously spent a sheltered life & with out sounding smug I've always felt happy with my lot. Ironically it's only now I look around & think what f.... went wrong with some people/the way some behave now & generally toss it all...... well not all but in every day life your average Joe & "Joe'ss" aint happy with life in general, but then again that's my work & I'm out & about all over the Inverness area.

Obviously slightly off topic & we both have stories/obsevations to tell.


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Re: I told you so... [Re: barnacle] #1578336
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The 15 year rule is this time round H_R.

Back in the 73 or 74 referendum we were specifically excluded if we did not have a UK address.

I am sure of this as I lived in SW France at the time. Then we could not even vote in French local elections.


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I have no idea about then! I was born in 1973 so oblivious to the first round of referendums

Lots of uncertainty we just need to be positive!

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Lots of uncertainty we just need to be positive!


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And the sweet silver song of the lark

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Originally Posted By: MeanRedSpider
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The young people were passionate voters - it's their future after all. They are also a generation that apparently is less selfish. The older ones seem to be more focused on what's good for them


Oh Richard, of course people are going to vote for the way they see things as is exactly you're seeing things from your side of the fence.....


As I've said in other threads too, I'm worried for many of the very people who voted out. I know I'm fine and I'm lucky enough not to need to be personally concerned about the outcome. I've had some very senior roles in some big companies where decisions are made on strategy and investment. I work in regulation and I work globally (I even have the word "Global" in my job title). I believe I have a better-than-average understanding how this will impact us. I have about 100 people reporting to me - about half in the UK (25% of which aren't British) and half in Singapore/Malaysia. I have to think about where I'm going to find scarce skills and I need to think about how these changes will affect how we do business in other countries (pretty much every country). I've just come back from living in Amsterdam - I worked with a huge variety of nationalities.

I want what's going to be best for the average person in the street. I'm just frustrated that most of the people have made, what I honestly believe, is the wrong decision. They've made it now - I'm disappointed for them and I just need to vent a bit.


Vent away.
I was venting my frustrations before the outcome on here. I tried it verbally with friends and family, sadly most were very opinionated one way or the other so didn't understand and it ended up a shouting match. At least as a written piece you can say your point, try and articulate it so it's properly understood and hope you get a less shouty answer.

Also, thanks for explaining your position and situation as it makes it much clearer where you're coming from.

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I meant the voting into the EU.


We didn't actually get to vote whether we joined the EU (or EEC) back in the 70's BM. That decision was made by the then government.

What we actually had was a referendum whether to remain in it.

Interestingly enough, all those expats living in other EEC countries were specifically excluded from voting.

That seemed particularly unjust to me as my wife and I potentially had the most to lose and we were among those excluded.


Thanks for putting me right, I wasn't quite sure and didn't look it up.

Do you mean expats this time round or in the 70's?

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I was actually referring to the Labour government referendum in the 1970's.

We didn't have a UK address then so couldn't vote.


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Just listening to Radio 4 this morning - it's utter chaos

Tories fighting amongst themselves
Labour plotting to overthrow their leader
SNP plotting to leave UK
NI getting Irish passports
UK credit rating pointed in the down direction
EU just wanting us out now
Lack of UK trade negotiators
No other parliament activity other than Brexit for years
Talk of just adopting EU laws for now
Brexit variously reneging already on £350m for NHS and immigration targets
No quick trade deal from USA
Etc

and the good news?

What an unholy mess.

Was this what the Brexiteers expected?

I'm also stunned by the number of people I've heard that voted Out but didn't really expect it to happen. I wonder if the vote was taken again next week, if we'd get the same result....?

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The first three were the same 2 days ago.
There was no real economic growth anyway 2 days ago
Euro economic growth was poor to very modest and likely to decline 2 days ago
The outlook was modest (at best) for most things
UK credit rating will probably rise
We've been through a few recessions now due to following the pack ... the pack need educating too
The EU is a disaster waiting to happen IMO, they need a kick up the butt
Bureaucrats need to start listening to people instead of them deciding what they think is best
The world is full of people ... they want their say, we are lucky enough to be born in a country where this IS possible as we have seen
Economists don't see this as a great problem overall
Countries need to reconsider just what they want and let it be known .. we are doing that and we are the first. GB is always first with things
It's a mess, but we will pull through and no one knows what the future holds. We are a great country and a clever, respected country overall .... we'll pull through this.


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Aye well, it's certainly not perfect, but I'm pretty much with Patch. The only thing that's got my attention, is the Scottish question. We should not be thinking on leaving the UK full stop. A bad idea all round. I envisage a stormy shouty time ahead as I said earlier, regarding this.


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Well that's exciting news.....

"Pulling through this" isn't normally something that one says about something one asked for.

I thoroughly respect that we have a democracy and that's fabulous and that this was the choice of the people.

I'm just not sure a lot of them understood the consequences of what they were asking for.

....there's absolutely nothing positive in the reports on this.

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Originally Posted By: MeanRedSpider
Well that's exciting news.....

"Pulling through this" isn't normally something that one says about something one asked for.


I never thought it would be easy. As many other people did not. But, unless we ask everyone, we won't know.

It's the press and their leading questions as usual that are creating the stories that people choose to believe or they don't.

From what I have seen lots of people thought it would be hard, but after recessions they are not too bothered about short term (we hope) money issues. Most are looking for long term affects. Like deciding our own fate by opting out is.

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Aye well, it's certainly not perfect, but I'm pretty much with Patch. The only thing that's got my attention, is the Scottish question. We should not be thinking on leaving the UK full stop. A bad idea all round. I envisage a stormy shouty time ahead as I said earlier, regarding this.


Scottish independence is a logical and totally foreseeable outcome of a Brexit vote. I think it's now highly likely that Scotland will leave the UK and "join" the EU with the Euro (there's now no chance, if there ever was, of having the pound). I think if I still live in Scotland, even I'd vote to leave the UK as I think it would actually be best for the Highlands.

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From what I have seen lots of people thought it would be hard, but after recessions they are not too bothered about short term (we hope) money issues. Most are looking for long term affects. Like deciding our own fate by opting out is.


We are out of recession and we can probably expect another down-swing in the next 4 years (because that is just what seems to happen in the world). This will probably be the point when we are most vulnerable - just having left, with most of the effects of the uncertainty in place, and before we can do the things we need to do to correct what we've lost (trade deals etc).

My fear is that we are solving the wrong problem by leaving.

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Hopefully, the shit slingers (I mean elected people and not elected as in the Euro Union) will realise that name calling, lies and bad mouthing does not win votes .... they probably won't .... and thats the real travesty here IMO. But you never know .....

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I'm also stunned by the number of people I've heard that voted Out but didn't really expect it to happen. I wonder if the vote was taken again next week, if we'd get the same result....?


Precisely. Which is why I've signed the petition for a re-vote.
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Now here's a hypothesis.. Boris to be PM in October and renegotiating the terms of membership to the EU( he doesn't seem to be in any rush to invoke Article 50) and then calling another referendum now that the "voters "have seen the consequences. We might have had the vote but the clock doesn't start ticking until article 50 is started.

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^ I think this too - Boris never wanted to leave the EU in the first place. For him the whole exercise has been a way to blindside Osborne as a successor to Cameron. The immigration issue also helped because it gives him an edge over Home Secretary May

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