we do have freedom, freedom from being ruled and dictated to by the EU fat cats in Brussels, milking our system dry.

Aye, lock the thread now that the remainers have nothing to yap on about. The votes were cast and the majority spoke out and were heard for a change............take a deep breath of freedom and feel refreshed and energised like the other camp 'OUT' voters.

Club Vote.

EU - In or Out
Only one choice allowed (129 total votes)
In - 62 (48%)
Out - 56 (43%)
Undecided - 11 (9%)
Voting on this poll ends: Yesterday at 22:00

Are the leave guys going to form their own little club

I'm sick of hearing this argument. WWII was started because Germany's National Socialists didn't play ball with the Jewish owned Federal Reserve. The EU was put together by Jews after the War. The group that started the war is therefore the same group that runs the EU. It's the New World Order and that is not a good thing for humanity.

Through all of the campaigning over the past few weeks, I didn't see a single argument to remain that wasn't founded on personal greed. This isn't about us now being free. It's all about sending a message: the EU is done. Let's now sit back and watch it fall over.

The fact that the "Out" vote has Donald Trump's support says it all.

Fortunately I "live" in Scotland.

I just want to say, this "The majority has spoke so get on with it" talk, it was a close call, not a land slide as regards percentages. 16 million people woke up this morning to something they didn't want to happen and are now locked in with the other 17 million who wanted it. To not expect sides to scrape is silly.

I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me! - as Rorschach would say.

Aye well, I thought wrong about the outcome. In the end it was the less affluent of England that made their vote count against others. Obviously, rightly or wrongly they saw the government letting them down in various ways.

In the other thread I've tried to take a holistic view & I'm a tad surprised how personal it's become between some. I have my thoughts, but I would never force them on others as it appears on here at times. Whether that is meant or not, it comes over a bit self opinionated & overbearing. Again obviously some on here have different work places & different agendas & that will influence what they believe in. This a friendly forum I have always found, be nice....

I can see more shouty stuff ahead, Scotland is in a position where.....well that's a different topic for a different time eh!....

There were far more reasons than that to cause WW2. WW1 reparations and conditions put on Germany afterwards created a great resentment in the country, especially as the men of their Army who were never actually defeated but had been told to surrender. And what about all the countless other european wars that bankrupted Europe and decimated it's people. Europe has never known such a period of peace and the EU has been a major reason for that.

That's why I voted remain.

The economic arguments are all irrelevant and complete guesswork as ever.
No boom or bust in the economy ever makes a difference to the common people,
Boom times never filter down to me. If I can't make a living anymore.I don't blame it on Immigrants I go out and find another way to make a living . Boom times mean the rich piling more money into offshore accounts and avoiding tax -not spending it to create jobs and share wealth.

This was justification for moving to a National Socialist government, not for going to war. The German people then turned their country around under this regime (Hitler himself winning Man of the Year in Times magazine in 1938!!) and took back (without force) what was rightfully theirs. Judea declared war on him in 1933 and eventually got a pawn (Churchill) into place to push for war.

The fact is, if it wasn't for Jewish bankers pushing for it, there would have been no war. Germany wasn't trying to take over the world or impose itself on other countries. It was freeing itself and its people from oppression. This was not (and still isn't) by the globalists. Any country without a Federal Reserve bank is targeted and it still goes on today. It's sick and it's got to stop.



All of these wars lead back to the Rothschilds and have done for hundreds of years.

MRS - See - burying my head in the sand is completely what I'm not doing
You don't know me, you don't what I do or how I do it or how I voted. The thread is just becoming a place to gloat/moan and be rude to other coupe owners. Move on. You can say what you like in reply because I'm not coming back to this thread.

I don't disagree with that Trappy.

Unfortunately Germany allowed complete psychopaths to takeover and exterminate millions of innocent people and the bankers are still running the show.

It wasn't addressed to anyone specifically but at the idea of shutting a thread. It's the most important thing that's happened to the UK in a very long time - to the point that it will probably end up in the break up of the UK. So shutting the thread would be to pretend there's no elephant in the room. And, being such an important event, it's bound to get heated. It might even be more important than Top Gear.

My views on this aren't so much selfish (as was indicated above) - precisely the opposite. I firmly believe in openness and sharing of wealth and wealth creation. I'll be fine in all circumstances. The whole ideal of "taking control" and keeping others out has surely to be about self-interest if anything is.

I do a lot of regulatory work with China. The more open and inclusive they are, the more successful they are and the more wealth they are creating for the people of China. They still have a long way to go but the direction that is giving them success is clear. The UK has decided to move in the opposite direction. I'm struggling to reconcile that. Time will tell.

Live scenes from the Channel Tunnel

But thats a separate damning subject in itself.

And do you mean harder because people havent pushed themselves or had the upbringing to push themselves and its come back to bite ?. Is this why our internal skills shortage is prevalent because people aren't taught to learn and the way its hidden is by 'bigging up' outside better knowledge coming from other, educationally wiser, Countries ?

Three decades of dumbing down our education system - league tables and being taught to pass, rather than taught to learn - can't continue surely?.

It's an utter disaster.

ok, ok, my bacon roll still cost the same today as yesterday, yes, yes, gravity, at least in my locale, still seems to be switched on, thank god, no one seems to have killed anyone or rioted, I still, as far as I know, have a job and no one I know has lost theirs either, but,

my shoelace came undone this morning and that never happened before we voted out. It's the beginning of the end.

Hopefully not but who is going to change it.
These things were because of British Party politics not because of the EU.

Nope - in the instance of my organisation, the specialist skills (for which there are no academic courses) are in short supply. In order to access those skills, we need ready access to the sources. I've already had concerns from some of my team about the implications of this vote. A points system will be the Brexit answer but anybody who has been exposed to any of those systems knows how slow & cumbersome they are. As the world becomes more complex and we compete on more fronts (China, India etc) we need this else we won't have the job. Why would a skill-reliant business set up in the UK now when across the channel there's easy access to a huge labour pool? I know I wouldn't.

Yes, my point exactly. A separate thread

Oh Glen, Bonnie Prince Charlie is dead. Sorry for being the barer of bad news.....

This is why I eventually, and after not a little soul-searching and maybe why I've held back from posting, voted out.

The idea that our country thinks so little of itself that it has to devolve major decision-making to relatively unknown people in Brussels is the one which gives me most worry - the feel-good factor and their positive psyche is essential in my mind for *anything* to work.

I thought David Cameron's post-result speech was typically statesman-like and generous in defeat - whilst clearly seeing the untenability of his position he has not abandoned ship immediately and is exiting with grace. I'll be inclined to listen to his opinions s an ex Prime Minister far more than any of his predecessors from either party.

Pound has fallen big time. oh well thats another £400 onto my holiday costs. What a bonus!

History is written by the victors...

your costs must be astronomical!

For every £100 you spend you will (today) receive only 118 euros instead of 124, let's say you would have to spend c.£105 to achieve the latter, i.e. an extra £5.....

So £400 [you]more[/you] in holiday costs at that rate you'd be outlaying well over £80,000

None of my business, but just saying...

So if the banks, as is already reported that they are doing, pull thousands of jobs out of London, what is our remedy? The rule-of-thumb is that every direct job is worth 5 or 6 indirect jobs (either supported by the industry or by the salaries of those jobs), that means we're looking at 10,000 jobs already going (2000 X 5). Where one goes, the others will follow.

Where's the upside to this "freedom"?

Why do we think writing our own (presumably different) product/service regulations, whilst still needing comply with EU regs if we want (need) to sell there is "freedom"?

I'd love some real answers to the real problems this decision has created because I'm sure these were thought through before people put an X in the Leave box - I just haven't heard them yet.

£4000 holiday in USA will be £400 more expensive if all costs are £/$ related.

Oil is mostly priced in $ too. Good excuse for a fuel price rise.

Whisper it..... NATO...

Except oil futures will drop as a large economy is being damaged by maybes, not facts (yet).
Scaremongering and making things sound bad now is real damage, before it was measly words.

I love what ifs by the way,

What if the government writes legislation to gain extra financial jobs because it now can.

What if we tax imports of the things we make, meaning we can reignite our own economy

What if the pound weakens and suddenly the UK is cheap labour and manufacturing takes off

It's all still what if.

I didn't want to quote all that but my phone screen ain't that big and I can't see to delete grrr

Of course there will be some drop in oil prices (we'll be the ones that won't get any benefit due to the £'s weakness) but the oil companies take any excuse to put up fuel prices


What if the government writes legislation to gain extra financial jobs because it now can. Except it will be several years before we can write those laws by which time the jobs will be gone.

What if we tax imports of the things we make, meaning we can reignite our own economy. Except that will be met by similar taxes by others. It's at best a nil-sum game.

What if the pound weakens and suddenly the UK is cheap labour and manufacturing takes off. Except we won't have the capital to invest in the machinery we'd need.

You create wealth through open trade (see China) not by tariffs and borders