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The best road handling setup
#1562573
03/02/2016 22:05
03/02/2016 22:05
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sirspin
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Hi all , I would appreciate coupe owners/drivers to advise me on what they would recommend for the best road handling setup. I want the car to look standard with original wheels. Thanks
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Re: The best road handling setup
[Re: coupedummy]
#1562590
04/02/2016 07:31
04/02/2016 07:31
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sirspin
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Thanks for the advice , what's your opinion on polyurethane bushes ?
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Re: The best road handling setup
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#1562591
04/02/2016 07:44
04/02/2016 07:44
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Gimmo
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Too stiff.
My opinion? Uprated arb is the best mod, but also battery in the boot (where spare wheel is) could be a good idea. Standard spring and height More stiff shocks or original but new. 2.3/4 bar front tires 2.2 bar rear tires
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Re: The best road handling setup
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#1562637
04/02/2016 17:11
04/02/2016 17:11
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charlie_croker
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In order 22mm Rear ARB (Best mod ever) Bilstein B6 Dampers Eibach springs PU bushes for rear subframe New bearings for rear trailing arms New top mounts New wishbones and drop links That will transform the handling, it did for mine
Last edited by charlie_croker; 04/02/2016 17:12.
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Re: The best road handling setup
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#1562668
05/02/2016 06:47
05/02/2016 06:47
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mihai7645
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Is the 22mm rear arb a great mod also for the 16vt? I am thinking into getting theseAlso, if I would want to get a front strut bar like this one will I have any issues in mounting it considering I want to have a pair of BC Racing coilovers installed?
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Re: The best road handling setup
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#1562676
05/02/2016 09:29
05/02/2016 09:29
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That strut brace will be fine, especially if you are going to but coilovers on.
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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Re: The best road handling setup
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#1562761
06/02/2016 07:38
06/02/2016 07:38
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sirspin
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Where can I get the cheapest 22mm ARB ?
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Re: The best road handling setup
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#1562774
06/02/2016 10:34
06/02/2016 10:34
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Tried loads of set ups always end up back at .... Standard springs ,bilstein shocks, thicker rear arb, strut brace,I have seam welded front subframe,poly bushed wishbones , a great but expensive addition was the q2 diff too...really helps turn in
Last edited by paul; 06/02/2016 10:35.
was Paul S,now just paul...Member since Oct 2000,Coupe may be FATALLY injured - :(oh no it's not
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Re: The best road handling setup
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#1562798
06/02/2016 17:21
06/02/2016 17:21
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Nigel
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I've been watching this thread before chipping in - its clear that "best" is very subjective and what is great for some people may be unbearable for others
My car is pretty much where I want it now, apart from upgrading the tyres to something much stickier now that its only a weekend car.
The spec is as follows:
Eibach springs Osrav adjustable shocks Novitec 23mm rear ARB (standard front) 17" Team Dynamics ProRace 1.2 wheels Quaife slippy-diff Strut brace Lower subframe brace Seam welded front subframe Poly-bushed wishbones 1 degree negative camber 1mm toe-in
With that little lot (plus the poly-bushed rear subframe being fitted next week), the ride is firm, but very controlled. It will happily out-corner most so-called sporty RWD stuff, even in the wet. The only cars that give me some serious grief around the corners are the current crop of modern 4WD hyper-hatches, such as the AMG45 and the RS3 - I simply cannot compete with all that computing power, nibbling the brakes on individual wheels and shuffling the power around. Still - I have 'em on the next straight....
Also with that lot, I can happily cruise in comfort at 80-ish for 500+ miles in a single journey without any aches or pains
My only minor regret is that the Vibra-Technics engine mounts transmit quite a bit of noise and vibration to the chassis - an unavoidable downside of having mounts that will take the power without being ripped to shreds
Finally, I'd echo earlier comments that the uprated rear ARB makes the biggest difference for a single handling mod - 22m isn't quite enough (but still makes a huge difference) and 24mm is too much unless you uprate the front as well.
Biggest mod for actually getting the power down was the Quaife - truly amazing what the car will do now, especially in the wet, as the M3 driver this morning will testify.....
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Re: The best road handling setup
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01/06/2016 08:11
01/06/2016 08:11
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Nigel
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My first set of Osravs lasted 150,000 miles. The second set have been on for five years and 60,000 miles so far
They can't be rebuilt
I also considered the non-adjustables, but I'm glad I didn't. I can make the front of the car nice and soft - almost floaty, for when I want a bit of comfort on a long journey. I can also make it so hard that traction suffers (too much damping can cause the front end to 'hop' over bumps, which reduces traction)
TBH, rear adjustment is a complete pain - the adjuster is at the top of the shock body. The left side can be reached if you have skinny wrists, but the right side can only be reached by removing the shock, of getting some even skinnier wrists through the fuel pump access panel in the boot.
I've set mine to 5 turns from soft and left them there....
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Re: The best road handling setup
[Re: Nigel]
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31/07/2017 11:06
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I've set mine to 5 turns from soft and left them there.... Nigel, is that 5 turns from soft (left to right). I think I misunderstood and set my 5 turns from center of the adjuster valve window to the right. So that would be too soft, I guess?
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Re: The best road handling setup
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#1625163
20/09/2018 13:36
20/09/2018 13:36
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postman
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Hi guys,
I have a question about the uprated rear ARB, which some of you have installed. Which one do you have installed? Ultra racing seems to be the only one to offer only the rear arb. Eibach is just offering a kit for the rear and the front axle.
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Re: The best road handling setup
[Re: deannn_20VT]
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22/09/2018 08:30
22/09/2018 08:30
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Nigel
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I've set mine to 5 turns from soft and left them there.... Nigel, is that 5 turns from soft (left to right). I think I misunderstood and set my 5 turns from center of the adjuster valve window to the right. So that would be too soft, I guess? Apologies - I missed this reply Yes, five turns of full left-to-right movement of the adjuster. Five turns from the centre will only be 2.5 turns from full left to right
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Re: The best road handling setup
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22/09/2018 08:36
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Nigel
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Which one do you have installed? Ultra racing seems to be the only one to offer only the rear arb. Eibach is just offering a kit for the rear and the front axle.
I have a Novitec 23mm rear ARB with a standard front ARB very good “fast road” setup. 24mm rear ARB is too much on its own and would need an updated front ARB as well
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Re: The best road handling setup
[Re: Gunzi]
#1625498
28/09/2018 11:00
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Nigel
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There's also my handling thread where I tried to get into some of the technical aspects of getting a Coupe to handle better. Warning, its a long read...
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Re: The best road handling setup
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#1625505
28/09/2018 13:52
28/09/2018 13:52
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suba
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Hi all , I would appreciate coupe owners/drivers to advise me on what they would recommend for the best road handling setup. I want the car to look standard with original wheels. Thanks Having spent a lot of money on coupe handling in the past for a road car here is what I would go with: Bilstein / Eibach Suspension - stock ride height 22mm rear ARB front strut brace standard bushes - not poly replace any worn bits (wishbones, track rod ends, etc.) decent place to do the alignment decent tyres depending on power level possibly quaiffe ATB, but if under 300 bhp or thereabouts not really needed on a road car IMO. At one point on my coupe I went back to totally stock suspension - it reminded me why I bought the car in the first place after a test drive...really great to drive on the road 90% of the time, i.e. unless you are playing about on a smooth B road.
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Re: The best road handling setup
[Re: JRibeiro]
#1626484
29/10/2018 12:07
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deannn_20VT
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Hi, where can I find a "Novitec 23mm rear anti-roll bar" (or another option for a rear ARB) for my 16V T? thanks Ultra Racing.
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Re: The best road handling setup
[Re: Jhoney]
#1626965
13/11/2018 18:26
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Nigel
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Hi, I'm new to fiat coupes and have just purchased a 20vt last month. It's a fixer upper. I noticed the front drivers spring has broken and am looking to rent build front suspension. What are people's views on coilovers? Better than original set up or not? Hi and welcome to the forum Suspension is quite a personal thing - one man’s “too firm” is another man’s “sharp and precise” A lot will depend on what you want to do with the car - if it’s going to be a pure road car, you should really consider brand new standard suspension Coilovers vary a lot in quality - cheap coil overs are awful - stay clear.....
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Re: The best road handling setup
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#1626979
14/11/2018 07:25
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Nigel
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Good choice - a Coupe on fresh standard suspension is actually a very nice drive - controlled and compliant, without being too firm Of course, if you're considering track days or you want to partake in a bit of "enthusiastic" driving, there are all sorts of mods you can make Be careful though - its just as easy to make a Coupe handle worse than it is to make it handle better - ask me how I know....
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Re: The best road handling setup
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#1626986
14/11/2018 12:01
14/11/2018 12:01
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neil_r
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I'm going to swap the suspension out on mine in the near future and I want to stay "standard". It's only a 20V.
By standard does that mean any decent standard dampers and springs or actually the FIAT supplied ones? Monroe and KYB seem to be easy to find damper options here.
1997 20V 2000 V6 manual S-Type and 2011 5.0 XKR 2016 Tucson 1.6T AWD 2018 Mazda2 GT
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Re: The best road handling setup
[Re: Nigel]
#1626991
14/11/2018 13:50
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neil_r
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For "standard", read "OE-quality"
Its more about standard spring rates, standard damping and standard ride height
Monroe or similar would be fine Thank you!
1997 20V 2000 V6 manual S-Type and 2011 5.0 XKR 2016 Tucson 1.6T AWD 2018 Mazda2 GT
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Re: The best road handling setup
[Re: coupedummy]
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03/08/2020 22:08
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I have had a bilsteins and eibach lowering and found it too harsh on uk roads Totally agree! So glad I went back to standard shocks and springs on my road car. DS
******************************* 20VT Money pit project status=starts, drives & MOTed! Happy Days.
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