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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
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23/01/2015 16:16
23/01/2015 16:16
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nissansteve
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At the end of the day fiat made the NA coupe, then decided that once the 20vt was conceived that they best build more of the best model than the (s)lower spec models.  I'm not knocking NA, I once had a Fiat Uno 45  By the way this thread is brilliant. Hugs to all participants xx
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
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23/01/2015 16:26
23/01/2015 16:26
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neil_r
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I owned a 1982 Panda once upon a time, and that was a real drivers car and the best car I owned ... ... at the time 
1997 20V
2000 V6 manual S-Type and 2011 5.0 XKR
2016 Tucson 1.6T AWD
2018 Mazda2 GT
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: Dazvr6]
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23/01/2015 16:28
23/01/2015 16:28
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HiraethHuw
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^^ Agreed.
I would say the op should test drive a turbo and then decide whether that is more suited to him than his current N/A. I'd love to have a blast in a 20vt. No-one in my area has one that I know of, and even then if I owned one I'd be reluctant to lend it to another to test drive. I guess going to a dealer to try one is a possibility - I wouldn't go to a private seller and waste their time, clutch and petrol just so I could sample the delicious torque on offer. Catch 22. As it in my Vis, the speed exceeds the handling, which makes it fun when it does touch the ground. My mind is made up, with all of your help.......... No it's not (I can't write I'll stick with the n/a). I'll keep it until I can get a test drive in a vt. Then I'll decide. 
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
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23/01/2015 16:49
23/01/2015 16:49
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Dazvr6
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Hahahaaaa no I said were I did my training, but you said not to bang on, so I mentioned yours Mines a big mac meal plzz. The plastic thing under my coupe is for catching nuts bolts coolant and oil isn't it? Don't the 16v have them for catching debris when the engine fails Sorry big macs are only for turbo owners! You'll have to have a quarter pounder and no, you can't have cheese.  ^^ Agreed.
I would say the op should test drive a turbo and then decide whether that is more suited to him than his current N/A. I'd love to have a blast in a 20vt. No-one in my area has one that I know of, and even then if I owned one I'd be reluctant to lend it to another to test drive. My mind is made up, with all of your help.......... No it's not (I can't write I'll stick with the n/a). I'll keep it until I can get a test drive in a vt. Then I'll decide. Shame your not closer as you could gladly have a blast in mine.
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: barnacle]
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23/01/2015 17:09
23/01/2015 17:09
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pjdm
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No-one in your area? Countrycruising is just down the road at Upton-upon-Severn; I'll be there this weekend putting a bit more of my 16NA back together...
I can has cheezeburger? ive got various 16v na parts if you need. I've got spare every relay and fuse and connector on car. Including spare flasher relay of death.
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
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23/01/2015 17:13
23/01/2015 17:13
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pjdm
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I once bought a firework that reminded me of a coupe turbo.
It was a big red rocket.
It took of with an awsome whooooooooosh, accelerated up in a straight line it looked beautifully.
THEN IT WENT BANG!!!!
And was knowmore....
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
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23/01/2015 17:32
23/01/2015 17:32
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nissansteve
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My mrs Punto is a fun car to drive, you can get all the thrills of driving right on the limit, it's little engine screaming, skinny tyres hanging on for dear life. All without risking your driving licence, then get overtaken by a Peugeot 308 diesel on the straight.
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
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23/01/2015 17:41
23/01/2015 17:41
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S. Wales. Way beyond my means
Gripped
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In the interests of diplomacy, isn't the whole point that since there are 4 main versions of the Coupe (2 NA's and 2 turbos), that we have a choice of what we want. 16v, 20v, blown or not blown. Then for the prestige hunters, there are the LE and Plus versions. For the discerning pallet, there is the very civlised VIS For me, the sound of a 5 pot was the major decider. For others, it will be the purity and lineage of the 16V. And for others, speed and acceleration will be the main factor. We can all change our minds, and have a taste of all of them. But it does mean that there is no right answer to which is the "best" since it is a subjective judgement. What we can all agree on is that the Coupe is simply like nothing else. 
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
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23/01/2015 17:47
23/01/2015 17:47
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In the interests of sanity - why I picked my 16NA over the VT:
I bought it new in 95; there were only the 16V versions available at the time - NA and T.
- the power differential was only 40bhp (not the 80bhp extra of the 20vt)
- top speed differential was 10mph and largely academic
- I'd just sold a turbo car
- the turbo lag was horrible
- the NA handled better
I drove them both over a week umming and ahhing and eventually settled on the NA. I've never regretted, and while I had both a 16NA and the 20VT for a couple of years - and they are like chalk and cheese - it was the 20VT that I sold.
Which will tell you which is the better car *for me*.
And didn't that review in Autoitalia state 'the 16NA is the perfect car'?
Last edited by barnacle; 23/01/2015 17:47. Reason: (to begin the review)
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: barnacle]
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23/01/2015 18:17
23/01/2015 18:17
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pjdm
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pjdm
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In the interests of sanity - why I picked my 16NA over the VT:
I bought it new in 95; there were only the 16V versions available at the time - NA and T.
- the power differential was only 40bhp (not the 80bhp extra of the 20vt)
- top speed differential was 10mph and largely academic
- I'd just sold a turbo car
- the turbo lag was horrible
- the NA handled better
I drove them both over a week umming and ahhing and eventually settled on the NA. I've never regretted, and while I had both a 16NA and the 20VT for a couple of years - and they are like chalk and cheese - it was the 20VT that I sold.
Which will tell you which is the better car *for me*.
And didn't that review in Autoitalia state 'the 16NA is the perfect car'? It did indeed and I totaly agree. Finaly a sane voice amongst fools heheheee.
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
#1522866
23/01/2015 18:28
23/01/2015 18:28
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Barney
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Barney
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Beautiful cars inside and out. Parked up with engine off you've still got to love them. No point trying to convince someone else your passion is justified. If you're happy then you have the right car. Only hard times will ever force me to part with either one of mine.
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: barnacle]
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23/01/2015 18:40
23/01/2015 18:40
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nismo
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nismo
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And didn't that review in Autoitalia state 'the 16NA is the perfect car'? thats because he hasn't driven mine
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
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23/01/2015 18:55
23/01/2015 18:55
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Big_Muzzie
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Not sure if the 16vt is anything like a thema turbo - if it is then I can believe what you say about no off boost power and handling. I had one as a courtesy car (yes, really) about 7 years ago. The throttle was an on off switch! Felt bloody good in the on position!
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
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23/01/2015 19:02
23/01/2015 19:02
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In the coupe.
magooagain
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Finaly a sane voice amongst fools heheheee. And that comment ladies and gents is why this particular poster is winning friends by the bucket load for his recent contibutions on here by the hour!
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
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23/01/2015 19:52
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Perhaps the only thing to do is by one of each!
In fact, you could go out and buy all 5 (?) of each engine variant for the price of less than a new Fiesta. Oh, apart from the garage bills, tax, insurance etc... and it might look a bit obsessive.
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: magooagain]
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23/01/2015 20:18
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glenn1960
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Finaly a sane voice amongst fools heheheee. And that comment ladies and gents is why this particular poster is winning friends by the bucket load for his recent contibutions on here by the hour! ..and I thought I was a wind up merchant on the paris thread !
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: magooagain]
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23/01/2015 20:28
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pjdm
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pjdm
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just so sad If your sense of humour turns up we will let you know. Hope you feel well soon.
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
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23/01/2015 20:53
23/01/2015 20:53
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Pondman
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Pondman
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And didn't that review in Autoitalia state 'the 16NA is the perfect car'? thats because he hasn't driven mine Don't believe everything you read in the press
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
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23/01/2015 21:25
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pjdm
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pjdm
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And didn't that review in Autoitalia state 'the 16NA is the perfect car'? thats because he hasn't driven mine Don't believe everything you read in the press But if its been written it had to be TRUE.
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
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23/01/2015 21:37
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Mark_S
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I own a 20V and have done for the last 18 years, from new. I was one of those that paid good money for a FIAT Coupe. I like it. I have no problem with that. I drove a 20VT 18 years ago. I would be stupid to say I can really remember the fine details and differences. The performance difference was huge though and I still remember the ease with which it could join an Autobahn and effortlessly slot into de-restricted traffic. I could have bought either but I did not want the extra complexity of the turbos. I have never driven a 16V or a 16VT. I don't see why you are insulted by my memory being only average. I asked the question about differences out of interest. If I knew the difference for myself, I would have been a pointless question. I know nothing about the Nissan Prius. I didn't even know they existed, so I doubt I can contribute much on that front, unless I make it up, which is not my style. You are actually more likely to find me at the other end of the spectrum on the Jaguar XKR forum, if it is of any relevance to FIAT Coupes. Enjoy your driving Good Reply shame humour is hard to convey in my comments. I wasn't insulted merely an attempt at humour lol. I don't think there is a serious bone in me. However, i love winding people up, and im good at it. You don't own a Toyota Soarer by any chance? I have heard they are even better than 16v Coupes
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: Mark_S]
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23/01/2015 21:59
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pjdm
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I own a 20V and have done for the last 18 years, from new. I was one of those that paid good money for a FIAT Coupe. I like it. I have no problem with that. I drove a 20VT 18 years ago. I would be stupid to say I can really remember the fine details and differences. The performance difference was huge though and I still remember the ease with which it could join an Autobahn and effortlessly slot into de-restricted traffic. I could have bought either but I did not want the extra complexity of the turbos. I have never driven a 16V or a 16VT. I don't see why you are insulted by my memory being only average. I asked the question about differences out of interest. If I knew the difference for myself, I would have been a pointless question. I know nothing about the Nissan Prius. I didn't even know they existed, so I doubt I can contribute much on that front, unless I make it up, which is not my style. You are actually more likely to find me at the other end of the spectrum on the Jaguar XKR forum, if it is of any relevance to FIAT Coupes. Enjoy your driving Good Reply shame humour is hard to convey in my comments. I wasn't insulted merely an attempt at humour lol. I don't think there is a serious bone in me. However, i love winding people up, and im good at it. You don't own a Toyota Soarer by any chance? I have heard they are even better than 16v Coupes No I don't please tell us what there like, ive never heard of them. Or do you own 1:)
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: barnacle]
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23/01/2015 22:52
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pjdm
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You don't own a Toyota Soarer by any chance? I have heard they are even better than 16v Coupes You're not going to believe this... but the fellow six houses away just bought a Soarer!  Lol No Way?
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
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23/01/2015 22:57
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It's called a lexus (luxury exports to US) in the UK. The only bit I find funny is that the highly qualified driver on this thread managed to run out of fuel.... That's a proper rookie / learner mistake, not one a pro should make!
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
[Re: HiraethHuw]
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23/01/2015 23:09
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nissansteve
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Say what you will about which model. But we all know speed red is the best colour!
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
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24/01/2015 00:13
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pjdm
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It's called a lexus (luxury exports to US) in the UK. The only bit I find funny is that the highly qualified driver on this thread managed to run out of fuel.... That's a proper rookie / learner mistake, not one a pro should make! Fuel gauge didn't work, had a gallon in the boot. Who looks silly, looks up.... And it was on my drive. people who assume often look an ass.
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Re: n/a owner tempted by vt
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24/01/2015 00:19
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pjdm
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pjdm
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Say what you will about which model. But we all know speed red is the best colour! You mean Broom Yellow? Can't wait to get another going, who will get upset now.
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