It seems that a clear aim of the extremist Muslim is to try and force the people of the west into abandoning their democratic and equal rights principles. Clearly if they succeed in getting people riled up enough to take out retribution against Muslim communities it would do wonders for their cause.

Many of the extremist leaders are highly educated individuals with a good understanding of how to apply a manipulating strategy towards young Muslims. But be aware they are playing us too. That bull crap Belgian video linked to on here recently... FFS who do we think that video was aimed at?

The people of the French publication, who lost their lives, were targeting their satire clearly towards the extremists. Sadly many people reacting to their deaths are not dealing with it in the same intelligent manner, not what they would have wanted at all

And how many of those from your list happened in your lifetime?

Hi Daniel, good to see the voice of reason is back!

Mr Clennell, do I detect a hint of sarcasm there?

All of them I think, after all barnacle is a forum fossil

Daniel, in my lifetime, at least three (plus others I didn't mention - Korea, Vietnam, 7-day War for example) and at least one severely impacted other family members.

But why is that significant?

My point was that you seem fixated on 'Islam' - they are/were not the only culprits. Assuming that all Muslims behave as these psychopaths do is a serious error, as is assuming that *only* Muslims behave this way.

If I had the power, I'd make religion something that should be done in private between consenting adults, like other perverse activities; there should certainly be no connection between a state and a religion, and it should be as the French do: banned in all public bodies and places and particularly schools. But it wouldn't stop hot-heads being manipulated into asociality.

This may be helpful:

Barnacle, why are you comparing acts of war / invasion to people being murdered for nothing more than a drawing or being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

You're also putting political war (or plundering for resource) in the same bucket as what IS want, which is a world ruled under Islam.

As I've quoted before, IS and their leaders have the same goals as Hitler and his pals.

Korean War? Blimey, you're older than I thought!! Makes you 60+

Seems there's another incident in Paris involving hostages....

Whats the betting they are all 'mates' of the Kouachi pair.... I hope they've seen that image Jim..

the list is endless DTM,if you took the muslim extremists conflicts out of the equation, my god, the world would nearly be at peace..bar certain parts of Africa !

Hearing the hostage taker in Paris is saying his actions are to get the Kouachi Bros. freed....... These lot are more bonkers than I first feared.

just met a typical household in Birmingham [ good old England ].Kosovan muslim household, he's 47, she's 26, neither have ever worked, 4 kids under the age of 3 !, not training , just milking in the benefits we kindly supply them through our taxes. Happy days !
And as for a previous post about muslims not smoking, when prayers have finished round here, they come to my car park and have a crafty fag under the cover of the communal bin area, out of sight of the religious leaders.Such strong beliefs, funny.

The French are not the most stable when it comes to these sorts of attacks, it'll be interesting to see how the country responds.

Glenn, I'm not surprised your bitter if you have to deal with that all day long fella!

Muzz, is there much difference between plundering for resource - which implies control of it - and a world ruled under Islam?

Also I'm not clear exactly how IS are going to emulate Hitler and co. without the "enemy" or "infidels" noticing and taking preventive measures. I mean presumably Islamic nuclear weapons are not what you're implying?

Is it not more likely they are trying to rid themselves of Western control in their own back yards, on a much larger scale than say Nicaragua in the late 70's and Cuba since the 50's?

I agree with Barnacle's point about religiously 'justified' atrocities which have been going on as far as we can recall - I was thinking in particular of the Conquistadores in South America (especially having read my Spanish-speaking first wife's school history book which extolled the virtues of these 'wonderful deeds'), and of the massacre of the Cathars as they took refuge in Beziers Cathedral at the behest of Pope Gregory XXII IIRC, let alone the whole Catholic/Protestant thing.

TBH we're all guilty from time to time of this type of hypocrisy - even some of our most stalwart Sunday church-goers will have peccadillos to hide!

Glenn, for every Muslim family you find "milking benefits", you will find as many examples from other cultures and religions.
Is your point about Muslims smoking supposed to illustrate that Muslims, just like other religious believers, do not always stick to the letter of their beliefs? Because that is what it does. In the same way that interfering with children isn't really part of Catholicism or working on a Saturday isn't part of Judaism. So, Muslims are humans? Who'd have thought it?
Similarly, murdering people is not a part of most religions' creeds, but there will always (or at least there always have up until now) be extremist individuals that will seek justification for these deeds in words written hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago. That is because they are nutters, not religious.

I would have guessed 70+ at least

The Korean War is still ongoing, you cheeky buggers!

the smoking bit or the home visits or both

Don't get me started on other cultures ie the great British white Dee's !! ...
The benefit system in this country is so easy to abuse, its no wonder this place is the land to bring up your children. This Gov't has tried to cut DLA as this was the only benefit to have shot through the roof in recent times. Why is this, have we all suddenly become disabled ? no. This week, I will see approx. 15-20 families over in this area of Birmingham and I can guarantee 50-75 percent will be on some sort of disability allowance. Now lets think, what religion are most doctors these days ?
Not sure how I got on this topic, but at least you can see where your tax is going

So you have never visited a house that is non-Muslim milking benefits?

If people want to talk about benefits and/or benefit cheats, please start another thread.

Thanks.

Yes I do not see the relevance to the original topic.

Yes:

plundering for resource = America (established super power) going to war over oil (under whatever guise they see fit)
World ruled by Islam = IS (Non established power, trying to sort themselves out)terror attacks and all the stuff in the recent press.

I am implying that if you are not Aryan (insert what ever branch of the Muslim church you need to) then you will be killed.

2 hostage situations over there now ! Now Al Qaeda fancy their chances of doing the same or similar over here soon, thanks to the British contingent helping them out over there. Not to worry, eh.

many ! see above quote re white Dee

I am shocked at how this is unravelling, it feels too close to home, and also the amount of people who are being killed.

Very scary.

No trouble agreeing with the definitions there but as I see it the two have the same outcome.

The problem outlined in your last statement lies with the fanatics though rather than Joe/Mohammed in the street. The difference is that the 'guerillas' are not just confined to one (their own, presumably) country, but are spilling outwards to get noticed.

I would still have difficulty seeing how this takeover of world power can take place.