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Re: New Series of Top Gear [Re: ] #1477250
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Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie

Shows hows how over priced and rated golf GTI's have become.


Exactly. How much did they quote for the one they had; 30k? Seems a lot for a car from a company that translates to 'people's car'

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I don't think VW are legally bound by their name to only produce 'everyman' cars (if they are then they really dropped a clanger with the Phaeton W12).

Also I didn't take away from the segment that the GTI is over-rated.


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Re: New Series of Top Gear [Re: robcoupe20vt] #1477277
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Not at all. Just think it's interesting how the brand seems to have moved upmarket over the years.

I took the quote to mean it was rated highly, but pricey as a result.

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Heh, one of those moments where punctuation is critical.

I read Muzzie's comment as, "over-priced and -rated".

As for the brand, I think that for more than 30 years now the Golf has aimed at 'classless' and, I think, does it pretty well.


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Re: New Series of Top Gear [Re: robcoupe20vt] #1477281
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I seriously doubt I'll ever be able to buy another new car, let alone one with pretensions like the Golf GTi. £30k? Really? For a hatchback that's had "a bit of work done". F**k me!

Re: New Series of Top Gear [Re: AndrewR] #1477282
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It has remarkably well, no question. The trouble with a 30K car is that it's no longer attainable by the masses. I'd think you'd have to agree that it's most likely middle to upper class customers that well go for it. And if it's aspirational I don't believe it's classless anymore.

Re: New Series of Top Gear [Re: robcoupe20vt] #1477284
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In real (inflation adjusted) terms, that's still less than the coupe was, new... not much less, though.


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Originally Posted By: barnacle
In real (inflation adjusted) terms, that's still less than the coupe was, new... not much less, though.


And I couldn't have afforded that either!

Re: New Series of Top Gear [Re: robcoupe20vt] #1477288
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To sell a 2.0 4 pot VW for the same price as a 6 pot BMW (M no less) would have been laughable a few years ago. I'm not quite sure what is happening to the price of new cars but it seems they are gaining some serious weight.
I'm sure if you looked at the original brief for a Golf GTI the current model would no longer fulfil the spirit of the requirements. It used to compete against 20 something Pugs (19k otr for a GTI) XR escorts (ST2 £22K OTR) Megane cup £25k. Even the overpriced opel VXR (£27k) is 10% cheaper. Personally the Golf would be the last hot hatch on my list, especially since the Leon has just done a sub 8 minute NBR lap.

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Originally Posted By: barnacle
In real (inflation adjusted) terms, that's still less than the coupe was, new... not much less, though.


True, if you find the nearest current car from the Fiat group though...

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Re: New Series of Top Gear [Re: ] #1477290
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Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie
To sell a 2.0 4 pot VW for the same price as a 6 pot BMW (M no less) would have been laughable a few years ago. I'm not quite sure what is happening to the price of new cars but it seems they are gaining some serious weight.
I'm sure if you looked at the original brief for a Golf GTI the current model would no longer fulfil the spirit of the requirements. It used to compete against 20 something Pugs (19k otr for a GTI) XR escorts (ST2 £22K OTR) Megane cup £25k. Even the overpriced opel VXR (£27k) is 10% cheaper. Personally the Golf would be the last hot hatch on my list, especially since the Leon has just done a sub 8 minute NBR lap.


Probably something to do with all the extra kit and additional spec. Also the cars like the Golf have got larger - the new golf is circa 500mm longer, 200mm wider than the original model

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Which is what - a warm Bravo? 1.4 MultiAir turbo at £17k? We've all made harder decisions than that...


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Re: New Series of Top Gear [Re: robcoupe20vt] #1477292
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The Golf has a record for reliability and rock-solid residual values*, which mean a lot more to buyers than how quickly it will get round the Nurburgring.

And for most private buyers the issue isn't what the car costs, but the difference between what the car costs now and what it's worth when you replace it in 3 years time. On that basis how does the Golf compare with the other hoy hatches?

* I don't know how well deserved this reputation is, but the Golf certainly has it.


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The GTI will be picked up by the Company car customers, it will likely be £100 a month cheaper than the BMW (They have always been expensive)

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Originally Posted By: AndrewR
The Golf has a record for reliability and rock-solid residual values*, which mean a lot more to buyers than how quickly it will get round the Nurburgring.

And for most private buyers the issue isn't what the car costs, but the difference between what the car costs now and what it's worth when you replace it in 3 years time. On that basis how does the Golf compare with the other hoy hatches?



* I don't know how well deserved this reputation is, but the Golf certainly has it.


^^This, and lets not forget the superb build quality which accompanies the car.

You get what you pay for!

Re: New Series of Top Gear [Re: robcoupe20vt] #1477322
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How good is it actually? I remember a mate who had a mk4 gti. The window fell out on it. My sister had a beetle of a similar vintage and it was quite possibly the worse car I've ever come across. The quality of the plastics was laughable.

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I once asked an Audi sales manager why an A3 was more than a Golf he said:

Because the quality of the trim is just that bit worse and the finish just isn't quite there.

Audi is comparable to BMW, VW to Renault and that ilk hence my opinion that the Golf is over priced and you're better off with a Skoda or a Seat.

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only have to look at the numerous vag group dsg, engine, etc issues to know that their marketing men are superb!


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Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie
I once asked an Audi sales manager why an A3 was more than a Golf he said:

Because the quality of the trim is just that bit worse and the finish just isn't quite there.


Are you running some sort of master class in vagueness? smile


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Originally Posted By: AndrewR
Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie
I once asked an Audi sales manager why an A3 was more than a Golf he said:

Because the quality of the trim is just that bit worse and the finish just isn't quite there.


Are you running some sort of master class in vagueness? smile


Are you kidding? That is precision terminology from a vehicle sales manager!

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No, what I mean is that, firstly, I was confused as to whether Muzzie though the Golf was "Over-priced and rated" or "Over-priced and -rated" and now, as read, his last post seems to say that the A3 is more expensive than the Golf because it (the A3) has lower build quality and trim.


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Quiet day at work, Andrew...?

Re: New Series of Top Gear [Re: AndrewR] #1477353
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Originally Posted By: AndrewR
...his last post seems to say that the A3 is more expensive than the Golf because it (the A3) has lower build quality and trim.


That's how I read it the first time.

I think he meant to say that it was the Golf's build quality which was worse.

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Sorry Andrew it was written rather badly - my point was the golf is over priced and over rated.


And yes the point was the quality of materials and finish on a VW is of a lower quality.

Anyway that's enough Golf bashing from me.

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I thought part 2 of the Burma trip was very good . And at the end Kelly heroes style ending why do they have to talk over the music from the film.


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I thought part 1 was better.

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the best of top gear, is the 3 mates mucking about. the rest is rather poor acting


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I'm not sure what this programme is meant to be anymore, I know its a good earner for bbc but I prefer the more hands on car reviews as (the Mclaren p1 v Porsche 918) rather than the scripted mini adventures. Maybe they should diverse into reviewing caravans and motor homes

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Maybe they should diverse into reviewing caravans and motor homes [/quote]

o no! no more caravans

the vietnam mini adventure was brill, just 3 mates with no more sense than a group of 17yr olds.


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no more sense than a group of five year olds.


Sorted that for you, ziggy.


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