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Re: The Official Brazilian F1 Grand Prix Thread 2012
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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25/11/2012 21:12
25/11/2012 21:12
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Turbo_Verde
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What a race!! And being a triple world champion at Vettels age is a hell of an achievement regardless of my opinion of him. Gutted for Hamilton as he didn't deserve to go out like that, but yet again, in bad conditions Jenson Button does show how to drive quickly and flawlessly!
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Re: The Official Brazilian F1 Grand Prix Thread 2012
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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25/11/2012 22:26
25/11/2012 22:26
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What a fantastic race. I was just mentioning to my brother right before Di Resta's crash that the two flat out kinks before the start finish line are notoriously tretcherous in the wet and 'bang!'. Not the way we wanted the race to finish, but again...what a fantastic race! Hulkenberg's performance was immense, right up the point where he oversteered into Hamilton. Lewis can count himself unlucky, but you do have to ask the question that would Jenson Button have put himself in that same vulnerable position; toughing it out on the outside of a wet corner with a charging youngster desperate for his first win diving up the inside off line? Sometimes, Lewis doesn't help himself and puts himself in risky situations (think back to Valencia this year and his altercation with Maldonado). I still felt kinda sorry for Lewis though. Not least because it meant that Mclaren didn't claim second in the contructors. I was VERY happy to see Jenson win though! I really did think that Vettel was finished when he fell victim to the predicted opening lap turn 4 chaos. I can't believe how lucky he was that his Red Bull survived two big hits. If I were him, I'd ask for both rear uprights to his car and hang them up for posterity. With no straightline speed, a damaged floor, a wrong pit stop call and no radio, I doff my cap to him for handling the whole situation fantastically well. He's a deserving triple world champion... ...but not as much as Alonso. I never thought I'd see the day, when I'd say that I'm gutted for Alonso not taking the championship. But I think he deserved the championship head and shoulders more than anyone else this season. What he did this season is amazing and he is rightly proud of his achievements. In his interview, he made a very good point that he's gained a lot more repect and recognition from this year. He's certainly gone up in my estimation and I thought he was brilliant before. It must be said that Massa drove brilliantly today too. It will be interesting to see how he carries his late season form into 2013 and if it starts to cause friction with Alonso. If there is one area where Alonso has a weakness, its that he just cannot handle it when a team mate is beating him. Also, what an amazing result for Caterham to leapfrog past Marussia! Although it has to be said that Caterham have underperformed considering what they have at their disposal compared to Marussia. They have a bigger budget, better facilities, a Red Bull drivetrain (including KERS) yet they only just scraped past at the very last. A great drive from Jenson. Yet again proving that he's the master of changeable conditions where a delicate feel for grip is needed. It will have felt good to have been 40sec up the road from Lewis in their final race as team mates and it can't be underestimated the boost that taking the final win into winter has on a team. Bodes well for Jenson next year. It was very sad to see the departure of Jake Humphrey from our F1 screens. Watching the F1 Forum today really showed the chemistry that he, DC and EJ have built up over the years and his leaving will be a big loss. Lee McKenzie is a worthy replacement, but the sense of cameraderie won't be there. Finally, the loss of all the races being shown live on the BBC wasn't as much of an issue as I thought it would be. I've still loved the season and didn't think I missed out on much. I've watched a couple of the live races on Sky and their punditry is just so boring (Brundle and Davidson excepted). They also broadcast for so long that you actually feel like you've suffered from F1 over exposure and thats coming from me - a diehard F1 nut. The Sky F1 website is a good place for post race stuff though. What a great finale to a fantastic season. March 17th can't come around soon enough. Its going to be a long four months.
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Re: The Official Brazilian F1 Grand Prix Thread 2012
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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25/11/2012 23:29
25/11/2012 23:29
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DennisK
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Yeah, its a pain in the arse when that happens. Fortunately I've gotten into the habit of avoiding all news broadcasts on those Sundays when a race isn't live on BBC. Unfortunately, I then take a quick look on Facebook to see whats happening and forget I've subscribed to various F1 sites on there.
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Re: The Official Brazilian F1 Grand Prix Thread 2012
[Re: skinflint]
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25/11/2012 23:41
25/11/2012 23:41
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Re: The Official Brazilian F1 Grand Prix Thread 2012
[Re: came2dance]
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26/11/2012 11:12
26/11/2012 11:12
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Hamilton shouldnt've been in that position anyway as Hulkenburg had previously been 40 seconds ahead of him .......
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Re: The Official Brazilian F1 Grand Prix Thread 2012
[Re: came2dance]
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27/11/2012 23:31
27/11/2012 23:31
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Unlucky for Lewis, you are right Dennis not many other drivers would have put themselves in that position - defending the lead of an F1 one race, except it should be "not many driver *could* have put themselves in that position" Don't think I agree with that, but I do see where you're coming from. Lewis lives and dies on his instincts on track. Sometimes it works, but sometimes it lands him in trouble where a more measured response would be better. With the Hulk incident, there were a load of laps still left to run. Lewis should have sized up the situation, conceded the corner and lived to carry on the fight. To coin the oft used phrase; to finish first, first you have to finish. Still, its this combative nature which makes Lewis such a great driver to watch and to a large extent, defines him. I'm still more of a Jenson fan though. Also, I've just read this great blog post from Jake Humphrey. Check it out.
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Re: The Official Brazilian F1 Grand Prix Thread 2012
[Re: Theresa]
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28/11/2012 08:53
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Excellent blog, although I'm gutted he's leaving F1 I liked his friendly, knowledgeable and honest comments and enjoyed his presenting for F1. +1 for that . Good luck to Jake!
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Re: The Official Brazilian F1 Grand Prix Thread 2012
[Re: bezzer]
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28/11/2012 10:11
28/11/2012 10:11
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Is Lee MacKenzie taking over from Jake?
That's what I've read.
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Re: The Official Brazilian F1 Grand Prix Thread 2012
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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28/11/2012 11:26
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Hope he isn't coming to Sky!
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Re: The Official Brazilian F1 Grand Prix Thread 2012
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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28/11/2012 20:46
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It's part of what makes Lewis more successful than Jenson - as much as I admire Jenson's driving style. Depends what you mean by successful. Over the three years they've been team mates, Jenson has outscored Lewis in overall points. Lewis is the better qualifier, but Jenson's race craft and ability to see the bigger picture is superior IMO. His inability to deal with a less than perfect car is very frustrating sometimes though. But if the car is exactly to his liking, I don't think there is anyone faster on the grid. Yeah, I'm gutted that Jake Humprey is leaving the F1 coverage too. He was nothing short of brilliant.
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Re: The Official Brazilian F1 Grand Prix Thread 2012
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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29/11/2012 10:54
29/11/2012 10:54
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We're now (from a validity of the championship perspective) in a lose lose situation. Whatever happens it will be tainted either by 'he clearly passed under yellows, it's just one rule for Vettel/Red Bull and a different one for everyone else' or 'Alonso only won it because Ferrari appealed it's just one rule for Alonso/Ferrari and a different one for everyone else'.
For what it's worth, the video I watched does seem to show him passing under yellows, therefore he should be penalised (if evidence of a green flag can't be produced). The doubts around the existence of a green flag or not are likely to cause this to rumble on though!
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