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Re: Unichip [Re: Begbie] #1384634
13/10/2012 18:23
13/10/2012 18:23

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Originally Posted By: Begbie
JBT, Senny and Barbz, wind it in a bit please. We don't need another slagging each other off session. Either take it to PM or the phone.


...or the AGM. laugh

Re: Unichip [Re: Begbie] #1384638
13/10/2012 18:47
13/10/2012 18:47

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Originally Posted By: Begbie
JBT, Senny and Barbz, wind it in a bit please. We don't need another slagging each other off session. Either take it to PM or the phone.


Alexis no slagging off here just pionting out the FACTS and defending myself accused of somthing.

Anyway point taken on board

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384641
13/10/2012 18:57
13/10/2012 18:57

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i did not mean to start a slagging off match just some addvise one witch is better gtec chip or piggy back system

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384652
13/10/2012 19:27
13/10/2012 19:27

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For price I'd still go for a flea map over unichip or gtech just because the experience. I ran gtech for awhile and when I fitted my wide band it showed that it was running lean.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384679
13/10/2012 20:08
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Was pointing out a quotation of fitment and the legalities of the quotations.

My mapper has mapped them already Dave as I said above hence why I said its superior.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384705
13/10/2012 21:00
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A few technical points regarding the Unichip smile

Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
I was expecting to get torn a new one when I mentioned it but early ones were incorrectly fitted and there was also very poor technical advice from unichip in terms of problematic tuning.


Well having removed in the order of 15+ Unichips from Coupes, not a single one was fitted incorrectly. Some dodgy wiring and solder on a couple, which took a bit of time to rectify, but none incorrectly fitted. A couple had some issues like Jimbo's, which was resolved as soon as it was back running direct via the ECU.


Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo

Unichip has more features than the standard remap Dave .

Early ones were hit and miss but the latest version offers as much as some stand alones.


Unichip has some features that can be very useful for certain applications e.g. Alpha-N, especially on older cars. However, it also lacks a lot of features and can struggle with modern ECUs, even something very simple such as raising the rpm limiter cannot be done. A car with lairy cams or a big turbo, well it's not much good if you can't raise the limiter.

The early ones were not hit and miss as you say, in fact the very basic principles of tuning are the same as the Q version. You wire into the various sensors, MAF/MAP for fuel, crank/cam for spark timing, TPS if required and likewise the boost solenoid, and then adjust/clamp voltages. The Q version is absolutely no different in this regard, it's still all about manipulating voltages in order to fool the main ECU into thinking the engine conditions are actually different. Of course when tuning via voltages, well this does have implications for example:

1. Most sensors are 0-5v, what happens when you reach 5v? Well in terms of a MAF or MAP sensor, this means the Unichip is incapable of adding any more fuel as the limit is already reached. Given that most cars, especially turbos, flow more air when tuned, well it can be a big problem. This is not the same as the injectors being maxxed i.e. 100% duty, there can still be more fuel available from the injectors, but the Unichip has no way to access this due to a voltage ceiling.

2. On the opposite end of the scale, if you run with bigger injectors (not huge, just moderately bigger e.g. 50%), then you would have to reduce the MAF/MAP voltage in order to trim the excess fuel. No problem, except the ECU may not allow this due to a minimum pulsewidth value or lower voltage limit, nothing to be done here. There are further problems with reducing the MAF/MAP voltage in that it will distort the calculated load to a lower level as determined by the ECU (remember we are fooling the ECU here). The result is that the ECU "sees" less air flowing into the engine than is the reality. At lower load levels the ECU has much more advanced spark timing, so the potential for engine detonation is much greater. So now instead of advancing spark timing for maximum power, you now have to reduce it in order make everything safe. This of course can be done, but it demonstrates how the Unichip can operate in a very hack way and is often counterintuitive, and unless you really know what you are doing under all conditions, well the recipe for disaster is there.

The above are two basic examples. You can also have issues with ECU compensations and learning, misfire detection, lambda integration, engine management lights… etc. Of course most remaps are sold on the power levels! Well the Unichip can make good power, but it certainly can’t make more power than a direct ECU remap. The reasons for this are simple, you cannot overcome all the basic parameters of the ECU that control the engine. A very important example would be knock sensors. It doesn’t matter what you do with the Unichip, advancing the timing into knock means the ECU will react and very swiftly by retarding timing. The Unichip is not a free for all control system, the ECU is the daddy in this relationship, and if you want to safely adjust the knock level then you need access to the relevant parameter within the ECU. All these issues are not a problem if tuning the main ECU, certainly not if you know what you are doing with it wink

Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo

You can also see all the stock ecu parameters in live or freeze frame easily.
Including finding out why the stock ecu map brings the injector light on in 3rd gear and above.
As I thought the maf voltage is hitting 4.88 volts before the light comes on then going out of range after.
Maybe a reason why most setups tail off the boost to bring the maf back into voltage range.

This setups so good that you can connect your phones to it via Bluetooth and see what it's doing.
Very good customer support and safety features.


You cannot see the factory ECU parameters, what you can see is the sensor voltages that it is wired into, two totally different sets of data.

As for the injector light and boost issues, well in this regard 2 + 2 does not equal 5. You have not understood how the boost control system works and other related parameters. I have, and continue to tune cars via ECU boost control beyond the MAF range as you put it (1.7bar holding 1.4bar at the redline), and of course if you have external boost control then the ECU cannot have any impact on boost control.

Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
We've mapped 4 coupes now with the unichip with bigger injectors.
Paul shepherd doesn't map coupes as far as I'm aware therefor I can only assume that you've purchased the cable from eBay and your illegally mapping the unichip.

This is piracy and the exact reason why unichip ONLY supply to registered dealers.
Otherwise inexperienced so called mappers will be on forums rubbishing there products without the knowledge to know what's causing the issues.

If your not a registered dealer of this system then you don't have the updates or customer support.
Hence why there running rough.

If you do have the above then its down to the mapper or a serious issue on the vehicle.


Wow...

That is all I'll say on the personal remarks, but as for a vehicle running rough, well you would need to tune more than just a handful of Coupes before making comments like that. The difference in engine management between manufacturers and models is huge, and this has major impacts on how Unichip works. Ultimately the integral point of any engine management is understanding how it all works, not just reacting to numbers on a screen.

I haven't mentioned as yet, the Unichip iDriver. Now this is a more recent addition to the Unichip range, and is essentially an extra module that needs to be purchased, which does allow some “direct” control over the fuel injectors, rather than just via the MAF or MAP sensor voltages. The installation requires wiring into all the injectors (quite a lot of wiring all in), and as a result it allows some manipulation of injector duty. Using the 20vt as an example, you simply cannot run bigger than 400-440cc (dependant on injector type) via the Unichip without the iDriver, it simply cannot work with correct air fuel ratios under all conditions. However, the iDriver is far from a complete solution and it doesn't sell itself as such either. Firstly, it does not give complete control of the injectors as this is not what the Unichip is about. It simply allows +/-50 adjustment range to the pulsewidth as already sent via the ECU, so there is a limit to what can be achieved. This is not the end of the story either, because not all injectors are the same and the process through which an injector fires is not just about pulsewidth duration. In basic terms, if you cannot change these other parameters (which the Unichip cannot) then you end up with horrible jumps and steps in injector millseconds causing rough and unstable idle and light load bucking. There can also be issues with closed loop lambda control, whereby you try to force the injector to deliver more fuel, but because the ECU is still in closed loop the fuel is subsequently trimmed and you are back to square one, remember the ECU is still firmly in control despite these tricks being played on it! I'll stop here because I could easily spend all night on this subject, if only tuning was as easy as + or - on the keyboard. It requires a thorough understanding of all the main principles within the system in order to achieve a powerful and holistic tune.

In summary, the Unichip is not straightforward, but I do like it a lot for certain applications, especially of course when the factory ECU is locked out. It can work very well for basic setups and "special" conversions (as I have undertaken on a number of older cars), however, it is by no means a replacement for remapping the factory ECU. The cost alone is significant, more than double or triple the average price of an ECU remap, and none of the associated hardware, wiring intervention or having to make such extreme hacks to the engine management as mentioned above. It has been around for a good while, and in the early days many Coupes were tuned like this as there was no other option. Of course, back then power levels were much lower, if you had 280-320bhp you were really at the top of the game! Invariably the Unichip is chosen by the tuner, not the customer. This is simply down to the fact that it allows a tuner with no knowledge of the factory ECU the ability to “tune” a vehicle. I could tune every single Coupe with the Unichip, but of course I won’t because tuning the Bosch ECU is a much better approach and ultimately a lot cheaper.


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Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384708
13/10/2012 21:21
13/10/2012 21:21

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Thankyou
Experienced answer,.

Re: Unichip [Re: Flea] #1384712
13/10/2012 21:28
13/10/2012 21:28

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Originally Posted By: Flea
A few technical points regarding the Unichip smile

Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
I was expecting to get torn a new one when I mentioned it but early ones were incorrectly fitted and there was also very poor technical advice from unichip in terms of problematic tuning.


Well having removed in the order of 15+ Unichips from Coupes, not a single one was fitted incorrectly. Some dodgy wiring and solder on a couple, which took a bit of time to rectify, but none incorrectly fitted. A couple had some issues like Jimbo's, which was resolved as soon as it was back running direct via the ECU.


Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo

Unichip has more features than the standard remap Dave .

Early ones were hit and miss but the latest version offers as much as some stand alones.


Unichip has some features that can be very useful for certain applications e.g. Alpha-N, especially on older cars. However, it also lacks a lot of features and can struggle with modern ECUs, even something very simple such as raising the rpm limiter cannot be done. A car with lairy cams or a big turbo, well it's not much good if you can't raise the limiter.

The early ones were not hit and miss as you say, in fact the very basic principles of tuning are the same as the Q version. You wire into the various sensors, MAF/MAP for fuel, crank/cam for spark timing, TPS if required and likewise the boost solenoid, and then adjust/clamp voltages. The Q version is absolutely no different in this regard, it's still all about manipulating voltages in order to fool the main ECU into thinking the engine conditions are actually different. Of course when tuning via voltages, well this does have implications for example:

1. Most sensors are 0-5v, what happens when you reach 5v? Well in terms of a MAF or MAP sensor, this means the Unichip is incapable of adding any more fuel as the limit is already reached. Given that most cars, especially turbos, flow more air when tuned, well it can be a big problem. This is not the same as the injectors being maxxed i.e. 100% duty, there can still be more fuel available from the injectors, but the Unichip has no way to access this due to a voltage ceiling.

2. On the opposite end of the scale, if you run with bigger injectors (not huge, just moderately bigger e.g. 50%), then you would have to reduce the MAF/MAP voltage in order to trim the excess fuel. No problem, except the ECU may not allow this due to a minimum pulsewidth value or lower voltage limit, nothing to be done here. There are further problems with reducing the MAF/MAP voltage in that it will distort the calculated load to a lower level as determined by the ECU (remember we are fooling the ECU here). The result is that the ECU "sees" less air flowing into the engine than is the reality. At lower load levels the ECU has much more advanced spark timing, so the potential for engine detonation is much greater. So now instead of advancing spark timing for maximum power, you now have to reduce it in order make everything safe. This of course can be done, but it demonstrates how the Unichip can operate in a very hack way and is often counterintuitive, and unless you really know what you are doing under all conditions, well the recipe for disaster is there.

The above are two basic examples. You can also have issues with ECU compensations and learning, misfire detection, lambda integration, engine management lights… etc. Of course most remaps are sold on the power levels! Well the Unichip can make good power, but it certainly can’t make more power than a direct ECU remap. The reasons for this are simple, you cannot overcome all the basic parameters of the ECU that control the engine. A very important example would be knock sensors. It doesn’t matter what you do with the Unichip, advancing the timing into knock means the ECU will react and very swiftly by retarding timing. The Unichip is not a free for all control system, the ECU is the daddy in this relationship, and if you want to safely adjust the knock level then you need access to the relevant parameter within the ECU. All these issues are not a problem if tuning the main ECU, certainly not if you know what you are doing with it wink

Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo

You can also see all the stock ecu parameters in live or freeze frame easily.
Including finding out why the stock ecu map brings the injector light on in 3rd gear and above.
As I thought the maf voltage is hitting 4.88 volts before the light comes on then going out of range after.
Maybe a reason why most setups tail off the boost to bring the maf back into voltage range.

This setups so good that you can connect your phones to it via Bluetooth and see what it's doing.
Very good customer support and safety features.


You cannot see the factory ECU parameters, what you can see is the sensor voltages that it is wired into, two totally different sets of data.

As for the injector light and boost issues, well in this regard 2 + 2 does not equal 5. You have not understood how the boost control system works and other related parameters. I have, and continue to tune cars via ECU boost control beyond the MAF range as you put it (1.7bar holding 1.4bar at the redline), and of course if you have external boost control then the ECU cannot have any impact on boost control.

Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
We've mapped 4 coupes now with the unichip with bigger injectors.
Paul shepherd doesn't map coupes as far as I'm aware therefor I can only assume that you've purchased the cable from eBay and your illegally mapping the unichip.

This is piracy and the exact reason why unichip ONLY supply to registered dealers.
Otherwise inexperienced so called mappers will be on forums rubbishing there products without the knowledge to know what's causing the issues.

If your not a registered dealer of this system then you don't have the updates or customer support.
Hence why there running rough.

If you do have the above then its down to the mapper or a serious issue on the vehicle.


Wow...

That is all I'll say on the personal remarks, but as for a vehicle running rough, well you would need to tune more than just a handful of Coupes before making comments like that. The difference in engine management between manufacturers and models is huge, and this has major impacts on how Unichip works. Ultimately the integral point of any engine management is understanding how it all works, not just reacting to numbers on a screen.

I haven't mentioned as yet, the Unichip iDriver. Now this is a more recent addition to the Unichip range, and is essentially an extra module that needs to be purchased, which does allow some “direct” control over the fuel injectors, rather than just via the MAF or MAP sensor voltages. The installation requires wiring into all the injectors (quite a lot of wiring all in), and as a result it allows some manipulation of injector duty. Using the 20vt as an example, you simply cannot run bigger than 400-440cc (dependant on injector type) via the Unichip without the iDriver, it simply cannot work with correct air fuel ratios under all conditions. However, the iDriver is far from a complete solution and it doesn't sell itself as such either. Firstly, it does not give complete control of the injectors as this is not what the Unichip is about. It simply allows +/-50 adjustment range to the pulsewidth as already sent via the ECU, so there is a limit to what can be achieved. This is not the end of the story either, because not all injectors are the same and the process through which an injector fires is not just about pulsewidth duration. In basic terms, if you cannot change these other parameters (which the Unichip cannot) then you end up with horrible jumps and steps in injector millseconds causing rough and unstable idle and light load bucking. There can also be issues with closed loop lambda control, whereby you try to force the injector to deliver more fuel, but because the ECU is still in closed loop the fuel is subsequently trimmed and you are back to square one, remember the ECU is still firmly in control despite these tricks being played on it! I'll stop here because I could easily spend all night on this subject, if only tuning was as easy as + or - on the keyboard. It requires a thorough understanding of all the main principles within the system in order to achieve a powerful and holistic tune.

In summary, the Unichip is not straightforward, but I do like it a lot for certain applications, especially of course when the factory ECU is locked out. It can work very well for basic setups and "special" conversions (as I have undertaken on a number of older cars), however, it is by no means a replacement for remapping the factory ECU. The cost alone is significant, more than double or triple the average price of an ECU remap, and none of the associated hardware, wiring intervention or having to make such extreme hacks to the engine management as mentioned above. It has been around for a good while, and in the early days many Coupes were tuned like this as there was no other option. Of course, back then power levels were much lower, if you had 280-320bhp you were really at the top of the game! Invariably the Unichip is chosen by the tuner, not the customer. This is simply down to the fact that it allows a tuner with no knowledge of the factory ECU the ability to “tune” a vehicle. I could tune every single Coupe with the Unichip, but of course I won’t because tuning the Bosch ECU is a much better approach and ultimately a lot cheaper.

i thought you could not live remap a fiat as when i went to wallace performance up my end they said it could not be done and gave me the option of unichip

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384715
13/10/2012 21:31
13/10/2012 21:31

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Originally Posted By: fiatcoupe86
Originally Posted By: Flea
A few technical points regarding the Unichip smile

Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
I was expecting to get torn a new one when I mentioned it but early ones were incorrectly fitted and there was also very poor technical advice from unichip in terms of problematic tuning.


Well having removed in the order of 15+ Unichips from Coupes, not a single one was fitted incorrectly. Some dodgy wiring and solder on a couple, which took a bit of time to rectify, but none incorrectly fitted. A couple had some issues like Jimbo's, which was resolved as soon as it was back running direct via the ECU.


Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo

Unichip has more features than the standard remap Dave .

Early ones were hit and miss but the latest version offers as much as some stand alones.


Unichip has some features that can be very useful for certain applications e.g. Alpha-N, especially on older cars. However, it also lacks a lot of features and can struggle with modern ECUs, even something very simple such as raising the rpm limiter cannot be done. A car with lairy cams or a big turbo, well it's not much good if you can't raise the limiter.

The early ones were not hit and miss as you say, in fact the very basic principles of tuning are the same as the Q version. You wire into the various sensors, MAF/MAP for fuel, crank/cam for spark timing, TPS if required and likewise the boost solenoid, and then adjust/clamp voltages. The Q version is absolutely no different in this regard, it's still all about manipulating voltages in order to fool the main ECU into thinking the engine conditions are actually different. Of course when tuning via voltages, well this does have implications for example:

1. Most sensors are 0-5v, what happens when you reach 5v? Well in terms of a MAF or MAP sensor, this means the Unichip is incapable of adding any more fuel as the limit is already reached. Given that most cars, especially turbos, flow more air when tuned, well it can be a big problem. This is not the same as the injectors being maxxed i.e. 100% duty, there can still be more fuel available from the injectors, but the Unichip has no way to access this due to a voltage ceiling.

2. On the opposite end of the scale, if you run with bigger injectors (not huge, just moderately bigger e.g. 50%), then you would have to reduce the MAF/MAP voltage in order to trim the excess fuel. No problem, except the ECU may not allow this due to a minimum pulsewidth value or lower voltage limit, nothing to be done here. There are further problems with reducing the MAF/MAP voltage in that it will distort the calculated load to a lower level as determined by the ECU (remember we are fooling the ECU here). The result is that the ECU "sees" less air flowing into the engine than is the reality. At lower load levels the ECU has much more advanced spark timing, so the potential for engine detonation is much greater. So now instead of advancing spark timing for maximum power, you now have to reduce it in order make everything safe. This of course can be done, but it demonstrates how the Unichip can operate in a very hack way and is often counterintuitive, and unless you really know what you are doing under all conditions, well the recipe for disaster is there.

The above are two basic examples. You can also have issues with ECU compensations and learning, misfire detection, lambda integration, engine management lights… etc. Of course most remaps are sold on the power levels! Well the Unichip can make good power, but it certainly can’t make more power than a direct ECU remap. The reasons for this are simple, you cannot overcome all the basic parameters of the ECU that control the engine. A very important example would be knock sensors. It doesn’t matter what you do with the Unichip, advancing the timing into knock means the ECU will react and very swiftly by retarding timing. The Unichip is not a free for all control system, the ECU is the daddy in this relationship, and if you want to safely adjust the knock level then you need access to the relevant parameter within the ECU. All these issues are not a problem if tuning the main ECU, certainly not if you know what you are doing with it wink

Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo

You can also see all the stock ecu parameters in live or freeze frame easily.
Including finding out why the stock ecu map brings the injector light on in 3rd gear and above.
As I thought the maf voltage is hitting 4.88 volts before the light comes on then going out of range after.
Maybe a reason why most setups tail off the boost to bring the maf back into voltage range.

This setups so good that you can connect your phones to it via Bluetooth and see what it's doing.
Very good customer support and safety features.


You cannot see the factory ECU parameters, what you can see is the sensor voltages that it is wired into, two totally different sets of data.

As for the injector light and boost issues, well in this regard 2 + 2 does not equal 5. You have not understood how the boost control system works and other related parameters. I have, and continue to tune cars via ECU boost control beyond the MAF range as you put it (1.7bar holding 1.4bar at the redline), and of course if you have external boost control then the ECU cannot have any impact on boost control.

Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
We've mapped 4 coupes now with the unichip with bigger injectors.
Paul shepherd doesn't map coupes as far as I'm aware therefor I can only assume that you've purchased the cable from eBay and your illegally mapping the unichip.

This is piracy and the exact reason why unichip ONLY supply to registered dealers.
Otherwise inexperienced so called mappers will be on forums rubbishing there products without the knowledge to know what's causing the issues.

If your not a registered dealer of this system then you don't have the updates or customer support.
Hence why there running rough.

If you do have the above then its down to the mapper or a serious issue on the vehicle.


Wow...

That is all I'll say on the personal remarks, but as for a vehicle running rough, well you would need to tune more than just a handful of Coupes before making comments like that. The difference in engine management between manufacturers and models is huge, and this has major impacts on how Unichip works. Ultimately the integral point of any engine management is understanding how it all works, not just reacting to numbers on a screen.

I haven't mentioned as yet, the Unichip iDriver. Now this is a more recent addition to the Unichip range, and is essentially an extra module that needs to be purchased, which does allow some “direct” control over the fuel injectors, rather than just via the MAF or MAP sensor voltages. The installation requires wiring into all the injectors (quite a lot of wiring all in), and as a result it allows some manipulation of injector duty. Using the 20vt as an example, you simply cannot run bigger than 400-440cc (dependant on injector type) via the Unichip without the iDriver, it simply cannot work with correct air fuel ratios under all conditions. However, the iDriver is far from a complete solution and it doesn't sell itself as such either. Firstly, it does not give complete control of the injectors as this is not what the Unichip is about. It simply allows +/-50 adjustment range to the pulsewidth as already sent via the ECU, so there is a limit to what can be achieved. This is not the end of the story either, because not all injectors are the same and the process through which an injector fires is not just about pulsewidth duration. In basic terms, if you cannot change these other parameters (which the Unichip cannot) then you end up with horrible jumps and steps in injector millseconds causing rough and unstable idle and light load bucking. There can also be issues with closed loop lambda control, whereby you try to force the injector to deliver more fuel, but because the ECU is still in closed loop the fuel is subsequently trimmed and you are back to square one, remember the ECU is still firmly in control despite these tricks being played on it! I'll stop here because I could easily spend all night on this subject, if only tuning was as easy as + or - on the keyboard. It requires a thorough understanding of all the main principles within the system in order to achieve a powerful and holistic tune.

In summary, the Unichip is not straightforward, but I do like it a lot for certain applications, especially of course when the factory ECU is locked out. It can work very well for basic setups and "special" conversions (as I have undertaken on a number of older cars), however, it is by no means a replacement for remapping the factory ECU. The cost alone is significant, more than double or triple the average price of an ECU remap, and none of the associated hardware, wiring intervention or having to make such extreme hacks to the engine management as mentioned above. It has been around for a good while, and in the early days many Coupes were tuned like this as there was no other option. Of course, back then power levels were much lower, if you had 280-320bhp you were really at the top of the game! Invariably the Unichip is chosen by the tuner, not the customer. This is simply down to the fact that it allows a tuner with no knowledge of the factory ECU the ability to “tune” a vehicle. I could tune every single Coupe with the Unichip, but of course I won’t because tuning the Bosch ECU is a much better approach and ultimately a lot cheaper.

i thought you could not live remap a fiat as when i went to wallace performance up my end they said it could not be done and gave me the option of unichip


Look at fleas sig or in the traders section on here

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384726
13/10/2012 21:48
13/10/2012 21:48
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Maybe they said that because 'THEY' can't live map the coop....
What they CAN do is sell you the unichip and map it for you at a great PROFIT to themselves!!

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Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384730
13/10/2012 22:13
13/10/2012 22:13

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The emulator and software required and actually getting hold of it from Italy is expensive.
Wallace performance are very well respected and know there stuff so stick with there recommendations with using the unichip.
Will work out cheaper and there experience on this setup will get good results.
One of my customers running the unichip rates there work and professionalism .

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384739
13/10/2012 22:39
13/10/2012 22:39

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As it's been mentioned already why is it the injector light comes on in 4th- 6th gear when pushing on? The car also seems too loose power when the light comes on?

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384740
13/10/2012 22:44
13/10/2012 22:44

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Its not suprising that Wallace Performance would recommend the Unichip, it's simple maths.

If you are in the business of selling performance parts and services then in order for your business to grow and for you to make more money, your best bet would be to appeal to the largest possible audience.

The Unichip offers you this ability. It kinda "does what it says on the tin". It's a uni-chip.

Wallace Performance can have their people trained up on the Unichip and then offer tuning services which will work on 90% of the cars on the road. But becuase the Unichip is this "jack-of-all-trades" solution, it will always be the "master of none".

Personally, i see it in the same vein as aerodynamic additions you can buy like Spoilers or front spliters etc. They're designed to do a job and yes they do it, but you would be far better off redesigning the shell of the car to incorporate these features. Not only will you end up with a better result, but you'll also be far less likely to experience a component failure as you're not simply bolting things onto the car.

:Disclaimer (before someone jumps down my throat) :

I have no experience of Wallace Performance, buying or selling performance parts or services or The Unichip or how it works. I have simply applied a little business logic to the "Why Wallace Performance recommend a Unichip" conversation. I have also used the Ronseal catch-phrase without permission.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384741
13/10/2012 22:46
13/10/2012 22:46

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Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
The emulator and software required and actually getting hold of it from Italy is expensive.
Wallace performance are very well respected and know there stuff so stick with there recommendations with using the unichip.
Will work out cheaper and there experience on this setup will get good results.
One of my customers running the unichip rates there work and professionalism .

yeah they more about the jap seen but matty from wallace has a coop to

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384742
13/10/2012 22:49
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Originally Posted By: porkypaul
As it's been mentioned already why is it the injector light comes on in 4th- 6th gear when pushing on? The car also seems too loose power when the light comes on?


If you are having this problem then if Flea has mapped it get it back to him to check as it couldn't possibly be a sensor or component failing putting it into limp mode it would obviously be the mapping rolleyes

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384743
13/10/2012 22:57
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Well Martin to keep things simple and only from my side but I would spend the money on a uni chip or stand alone any day due to you can get some money back in resale and more people can map these in more areas.

For me buy good tools once not cheaper tools twice.

All the best Martin with the research there is more than enough info above.

Good luck.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384747
13/10/2012 23:20
13/10/2012 23:20

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Originally Posted By: Senny Dave
Originally Posted By: porkypaul
As it's been mentioned already why is it the injector light comes on in 4th- 6th gear when pushing on? The car also seems too loose power when the light comes on?


If you are having this problem then if Flea has mapped it get it back to him to check as it couldn't possibly be a sensor or component failing putting it into limp mode it would obviously be the mapping rolleyes


It's been like that since it was mapped Dave. So not sure what you are implying?

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384749
13/10/2012 23:25
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Originally Posted By: Senny Dave
Originally Posted By: porkypaul
As it's been mentioned already why is it the injector light comes on in 4th- 6th gear when pushing on? The car also seems too loose power when the light comes on?


If you are having this problem then if Flea has mapped it get it back to him to check as it couldn't possibly be a sensor or component failing putting it into limp mode it would obviously be the mapping rolleyes


Do you still work for flea as last we spoke you didn't and you certainly wasn't in favour of the live map .


Paul The maf goes out of range at4800rpm to 4.88 volts consistently followed by the illumination of the injector light.
When the boost tails off he maf comes back into range and he light goes off.
And as if by magic it stores no code even with the software plugged in.

Running the unichip allows the use of a map based sensor which means the maf is redundant effectively and therefor controls the lower revs only.
I will be using this system when your engine has been replaced as bore wash has killed it.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384750
13/10/2012 23:29
13/10/2012 23:29

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Cheers John for clearing that up. The reason I ask is I know of a few cars which do the same as mine.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384753
13/10/2012 23:32
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i am still confused what to get or do so meany pros and cons for the unichip

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384755
13/10/2012 23:35
13/10/2012 23:35

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I don't know what's involved in the stock ecu so it is what it is.

I will make sure your setup is properly optimised Paul.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384756
13/10/2012 23:37
13/10/2012 23:37

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Originally Posted By: fiatcoupe86
i am still confused what to get or do so meany pros and cons for the unichip


Ring Flea and Wallace performance on Monday
Pros and cons for them both I'm sure .

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384758
13/10/2012 23:41
13/10/2012 23:41

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Originally Posted By: porkypaul
Originally Posted By: Senny Dave
Originally Posted By: porkypaul
As it's been mentioned already why is it the injector light comes on in 4th- 6th gear when pushing on? The car also seems too loose power when the light comes on?


If you are having this problem then if Flea has mapped it get it back to him to check as it couldn't possibly be a sensor or component failing putting it into limp mode it would obviously be the mapping rolleyes


It's been like that since it was mapped Dave. So not sure what you are implying?


The reason I say this is if it has been happening since the map get it back there to be checked surely that would be the thing to do not keep driving it? If you notice a problem then do nothing about it how will the problem go away?
Is Leigton even aware of this problem that you say has been happening since it was mapped?

Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
Originally Posted By: Senny Dave
Originally Posted By: porkypaul
As it's been mentioned already why is it the injector light comes on in 4th- 6th gear when pushing on? The car also seems too loose power when the light comes on?


If you are having this problem then if Flea has mapped it get it back to him to check as it couldn't possibly be a sensor or component failing putting it into limp mode it would obviously be the mapping rolleyes


Do you still work for flea as last we spoke you didn't and you certainly wasn't in favour of the live map .


Paul The maf goes out of range at4800rpm to 4.88 volts consistently followed by the illumination of the injector light.
When the boost tails off he maf comes back into range and he light goes off.
And as if by magic it stores no code even with the software plugged in.

Running the unichip allows the use of a map based sensor which means the maf is redundant effectively and therefor controls the lower revs only.
I will be using this system when your engine has been replaced as bore wash has killed it.


Johnny there you go again with incorrect information I have never said that about the live maps,
Also I haven't done work for Leighton for a long time now probably over 2 years.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384762
13/10/2012 23:45
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Too late now mate the engine is knackered.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384763
13/10/2012 23:47
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Funny that Dave as you did.
Infact there's several witnesses to your conversation.
3 of them are currently on the board.

If you want to dig a bigger hole then feel free.
I find it comical that your current stance in black and white differs vastly from what was said in person.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384767
13/10/2012 23:52
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I also did question it on the way home from having the mapping done.

That's good too know John.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384769
13/10/2012 23:55
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John I'm not going to get into a bitching match with you and I'm not digging a hole.

I know what I have said and I have never said I don't favor the live map confused so no idea where that has come from

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384770
13/10/2012 23:58
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Paul ,Moral of the story is sometimes things go wrong and you should insist the car is checked if your not happy.

Dave it was said from your lips out of your mouth from your head on your neck.

If your feeling a bit of amnesia then we can all remind you of this next time we meet .
And before you accuse me of being "bullish" that's not a threat just clarification of fact.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384777
14/10/2012 00:06
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TBH thought it was right as I've seen a few cars that this happens on.

Re: Unichip [Re: ] #1384778
14/10/2012 00:07
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Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
Originally Posted By: fiatcoupe86
i am still confused what to get or do so meany pros and cons for the unichip


Ring Flea and Wallace performance on Monday
Pros and cons for them both I'm sure .



Agreed.

As for the original question unichip or gtech I would way up what you want to do with the car and what power you want How much money you want to spend,
There is a big cost diffrence between the unichip and the gtech, you can also search to see the average power for the gtech on here.

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