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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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22/07/2012 14:37
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The .63 AR turbine housing is supposed to be too large for a 2 litre engine. It will be interesting to see what the dyno says! Maybe expect boost to come in a little later than with the .48 housing (i.e. be a bit laggier) but with more at the top end? Cosworth boys used to seek out the rare .55 AR housing as the best compromise. 63 a/r definiely isn't too big for a 2 litre. But the performance depends greatly on the rest of the turbo: design of the turbine, size of turbine, comp, bearings etc. It also depends just as greatly on the engine - all 2 litre engines aren't created equal. Same goes for turbos; all the major manufacturers have their own design wheels and parts, which gives them different performance. The worst combination I can think of would be a Garrett "st.1" turbine, 63 a/r housing, T4 comp of some sort - all chucked on a completely bog standard 16VT with it's log manifold. Don't anything to happen until 5000rpm. On the other hand, a well spec'd turbo on a well spec'd 16VT with a tubular manifold and correctly sized exhaust system will make boost below 4000 rpm.
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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22/07/2012 16:35
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It's not my fault you bought a cheap shit manifold with runners they'd bent over there knees!! All joking aside I have a manifold from same supplier!! Scary!! Nick
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 14:03
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It's not my fault you bought a cheap shit manifold with runners they'd bent over there knees!! we need a high five smiley. Nick... you may be beating begbie in the bedroom and the build thread but dude your taking your time!!!!!!! in the time its taken you to do this.. Begbie has had a belt change ive blown 2 engines up Marios going bald Proccy put more weight on come on mate hurry up
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 14:58
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hmm... thats good news mate so what we have learned is when you say ... *UPDATE* New clutch arrived at FC Performance today, and will be fitted early next week! Dyno figures by this time next week???? Maybe!! Nick we need to plan for an update 2/3 weeks from that post
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 15:00
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hmm... thats good news mate so what we have learned is when you say ... *UPDATE* New clutch arrived at FC Performance today, and will be fitted early next week! Dyno figures by this time next week???? Maybe!! Nick we need to plan for an update 2/3 weeks from that post Which I said 13 days ago, so near enough 2 weeks
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 15:52
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Team Flea was depleted last week otherwise it would have been done by now!! You can't rush perfection you know! All I will say is.....in the words of INRO, "Soon....very soon!" Nick
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 16:15
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You're right man. I'm very curious about your results man. I'll keep watching this tread for sure!
I have a new T34 with a .63 A/R and stage 2 turbine and TO4E .50 a/r and 50 trim with supporting mods (500cc, 3inch downpipe, FMIC etc etc). But OEM internals but with all new crank and big end bearings with ARP2000 bolts for crank and big ends. And rebuild head with Spesso headgasket. I would be more than happy to see 300bhp. I Don't want more on standard pistons, big ends.
My car is ready next week. And the bill also.... So the dyno has to wait...
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 17:27
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I would be more than happy to see 300bhp. I Don't want more on standard pistons, big ends. What other "big ends" are available then?
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 21:05
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What do you mean? Don't watch my spelling to much. My english isn't that good.
Do you mean witch brands are available? Pauter, wossner and PPM are available off the shelf
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 21:44
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So by "big ends" you meant "Rods"? Big ends to us just means the bearing that sits in the big hole of the rod!! Going for a cold shower after all this talk off, big ends, big holes & rods!!
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 22:30
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My fault. I meant rods yeah. Sometimes English is a little confusing to me. I thought big end, and con rods are the same. Hey Nick_d not to cold......
Last edited by Turboman87; 26/07/2012 22:40.
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 22:32
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My fault. I meant rods yeah. Sometimes English is a little confusing to me. I thought big end, and con rods are the same. Not to cold...... The 'big end' is just one end of the conrod, the crankshaft end of one.
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 22:40
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Thanks man. Learned something about english today haha.
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 23:20
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Well done turboman, i wish i knew some Dutch
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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26/07/2012 23:52
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Wanna have some lessons?? Special price for you! Only a few people in the world speak Dutch. And almost half the world speaks Enlish I wish my English was better
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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27/07/2012 20:36
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Hello Nick_d
I see when you rebuild the engine. Your crank has been balanced etc because off new pistons.
Now my car (16VT) is at the garage for rebuilding the head etc. So I thought lets replace the conrods and pistons too at the same time now the head is off. And replacing al bearings bottom end, but with crank still in the block.
I asked the garage if that's possible to replace pistons and conrods with crank still in (and gearbox) and they said it could. But then they can't balance the crank though!
Is that a big problem? Is that really a no go then? New forged items weigh 896 gram (1piston and 1 conrod incl.) What's the weight of original??
Last edited by Turboman87; 27/07/2012 20:57. Reason: weight
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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28/07/2012 00:53
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Sorry don't mind. I'll know how it is going to be done more or less.
Crankshaft is going out for axial bearings (located on both ends of Crankshaft) and all other bearings. Don't now the name. And then crankshaft is going to be balanced too.
They din't say anything about it. So got a bit worried. But cantact them already.
I'm sorry....
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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29/07/2012 11:39
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Wanna have some lessons?? Special price for you! Only a few people in the world speak Dutch. And almost half the world speaks Enlish I wish my English was better I'll do you a 'swap' English from me, in return for Dutch from you?
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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29/07/2012 14:20
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Yeah that's okay if you want. Send me pm in English and I'll translate for you to Dutch. In my school period my English was better then my Dutch though
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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02/08/2012 14:07
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*UPDATE* New clutch fitted and and tested upto 1.75 bar with no issues! Was worried about lag now I've fitted larger .63 exhaust housing but 1 bar @ 3200 revs seems quite good to me?? Next week........ Mapping!!
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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02/08/2012 14:37
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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02/08/2012 15:03
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we just like picking on you!!!!!
dont worry, Begbie got a small amount of abuse..
but you..
Well, your worse than me..
you seem to have a longer "it will be done next week" than i do!!!
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infact... i think i just like annoying you :D
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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02/08/2012 15:42
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Very nice to hear.
*Keep us up to date*
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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02/08/2012 17:01
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Why's it ALWAYS you two biAtch's??? If it wasn't us two, then no one would be talking to you SOO TRUE... LOL
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