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Interesting li'l Ford engine... #1320315
28/02/2012 09:26
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Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: barnacle] #1320321
28/02/2012 09:49
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The video may interesting but article written in pidgeon english.

Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: barnacle] #1320326
28/02/2012 09:59
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Also from reading it, all I see is $$$$$ for Fords parts department:

2 Thermostats
Special Cambelt running in oil
Special Water Cooled Manifold integrated into engine block (so i assume any failure here means a new engine!)

Is it a good idea to have a tiny turbo in 'shopping trolley' cars? I'm sure alot of the owners pay very little attention to the maintenance and upkeep of these sorts of vehicles. I know people who have literally asked why their car is making a "horrible noise" only for me to go out there and find it had virtually no oil in it!

Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: barnacle] #1320341
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For a minute I thought... wow.. a three cylinder TEN litre engine.

Imagine my disappointment.


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Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: barnacle] #1320349
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Truffle, don't forget most cars on the road these days are turbocharged. Also turbo's are used to actually blow the engine clean. Also in EGR systems a turbo can prevent the buildup of carbon depositis in the valve. Look at the issues Alfa had/have in their 2.2 versus the same system in turbocharged cars. And... my Alfa 147 has seen track days, road abuse, fast driving, high revs,... and is still on the original (small, T4 I believe) turbo after 130.000 miles. And it hasn't had an oil change in 3 years or 30.000 km.


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Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: Kayjey] #1320353
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Originally Posted By: Kayjey
And it hasn't had an oil change in 3 years or 30.000 km.


Where's that ban button evil


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Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: ] #1320363
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Originally Posted By: Truffle
Also from reading it, all I see is $$$$$ for Fords parts department:

2 Thermostats
Special Cambelt running in oil
Special Water Cooled Manifold integrated into engine block (so i assume any failure here means a new engine!)

Is it a good idea to have a tiny turbo in 'shopping trolley' cars? I'm sure alot of the owners pay very little attention to the maintenance and upkeep of these sorts of vehicles. I know people who have literally asked why their car is making a "horrible noise" only for me to go out there and find it had virtually no oil in it!


Most #cough# modern cars have an oil level warning indicator. some even monitor the state of the engine/oil and warn when it needs to be changed.

A water cooled inlet manifold is a good thing, cooling the air that comes into the cylinders is a good thing. Its all about efficiency, lower temps on a petrol engine are a good thing. Conversely the hotter the inlet temps are on a diesel the better (at least hot enough not to cause self combustion too early in the combustion cycle).

As for small turbo's these are also a good thing as you get more bang for your buck, lower inlet temperatures would allow you to run higher boost.

Others plus points, you only have three cylinders to bore out of the block, and you lose a piston, 4 valves etc etc.

I imagine the cost of an additional thermostat and oiled cambelt might seems bad, I am sure its more than offset by the reduction in parts and materials on a three cylinder engine.

I guess that's why the engines can pump out 100 - 125bhp.


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Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: barnacle] #1320390
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Interesting that the video looks as if the cam timing can be changed on both cams - and they've used direct injection with multiple pulses, like the Twin-air.

The variable pressure oil pump is a neat idea too; no point pumping it if you don't need it. But my word there are lots of things in that engine to make ford repair agencies happy go wrong.


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Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: barnacle] #1321541
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Surely by water cooling the exhaust manifold, you are removing energy from the exhaust gasses which are supposed to be driving the turbo. I wonder what the advantages of this are?

Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: barnacle] #1321550
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Its a step in the right direction, I think were going to see many many small turbo charged engines. I do like what fiat are doing both with the twin air and multiair

Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: barnacle] #1321553
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Very interesting cam belt change it looks with not just a cambelt kit but fresh oil to go with it. Why dont most go with timing chains?


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Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: coupedummy] #1321559
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Originally Posted By: coupedummy
Why dont most go with timing chains?


Call me Mr Sceptical, I'll go for ££££££'s

I'd like to know the answer why timing chains aren't the norm. After all, belts are the weakest point on most engines, and chains 'virtually' eliminate this.

I know Proccy would be a few £'s better off if Fiat had designed the coupe in this way.

Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: barnacle] #1321561
03/03/2012 12:28
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Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: barnacle] #1321577
03/03/2012 13:06
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put two together
then its a 2L twin turbo V6....sounds like loads more fun

or length way for a straight 6

Re: Interesting li'l Ford engine... [Re: barnacle] #1321584
03/03/2012 13:45
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yeah Shabba might like it then.


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