I thought some people may be interested in the brake pads which i have fitted from Carbotech, so here is a little review;

I fitted them a few weeks ago and am really impressed with the cold bite – these are significantly better than the EBC yellowstuff I was using before, just as good as standard pads. They dont require any heat to be effective.

I went out to bed the pads in and was soon licking the windscreen! I am now able to lock the brakes at XXXmph very easily, when the pads are warm they are pretty epic. I was quite an advocate of the Yellowstuff pads but these really are a different league, i'm able to control the brakes to the point of locking at any speed.

I used the pads on a small trackday last week and they were excellent too. I couldn’t get them to fade and found I could brake much later than I previously could when using the Yellowstuff. At Curborough, i think i improved my braking distance on the main straight by around 15m (based on the marker boards).

The only downsides which I have noticed are; lots of brake dust (which I’m not bothered about), and they squeal badly. I may have to look into shims for this.

The XP-10 is a race compound, and there are some great reviews on the t'interweb, mainly from Mitusbishi Evo owners.

The bedding in procedure is a "Light Trackday"

I can highly recommend these pads.

Thanks to Begbie for recommending

Matt,

How do the Carbotechs hold up after a 20 minute track session? Curborough's all well and good as a test of cold braking, where I'd expect OMP pads to be able to perform acceptably. But have you used them on a 20 minute track session at 100mph +?

In other news, my Pagid yellows, fitted in february, have crumbled to dust in just 4 trackdays and less than 2k road miles. So need some decent pads for Spa!!

Can I suggest you get in touch with Paul Wilkinson at CBP - he would be interested to know how you've killed a set of Yellows so quickly

what im more shocked about is the fact that MattM use's brakes

Matt, glad you're enjoying them and yes, they are a tad dusty, although mine don't squeal and if they do, it's at very low speed. Although I'm using the XP8, they don't half chuck some dust out. Polished white wheels for Auto Italia at brooklands last month, 30 mile drive and they are having a nice light covering already.

I'm going to Nigel! Will report back

Edit - Paul's not back until Thursday. Not that I expect any kind of refund, just somewhat surprised and disappointed.

I believe Dan's MOT tester described it as 'Aggressive Braking'

Agressive driving, and that was relating to the cracking on the discs. Keep up Truff

Dan, if you need some convincing I can do a couple of heavy brake attempts with my pads tomorrow

I've used the XP8 too and they're the best ones so far. There was nothing they couldn't stop.
Will look into the XP10's as the XP8 dust was pretty aggressive on my wheels.

Not completed a track day with these pads in yet, but I'm expecting good things.

I noticed your thread regarding the pagid. Its interesting because I had my ebc yellows in for a similar period of time and they have been subjected to a similar amount of torture and they look exactly the same as your pagid when I removed them. I also had to change my gold brembos!

I suppose all I can do is report back after a proper track day.

Maybe you should add the price difference between Yellow stuff and Carbotech?

Yellowstuff are around £120 inc vat and the carbotech xp10 pads are £160 inc vat.

Still cheaper than Pagid yellow's !

The question is can we get these before Spa

They should do next delivery i imagine.

drop Ian at http://www.carbotech-europe.com/ an email, I'm sure he will be able to accomodate

Thanks for the link Alexis

I've just ordered my XP10's, the chap is having to make them so if there's anyone else interested in these I'd get your order in otherwise they won't be made in time for Spa.

Think I also have HoveDan and Marco converted to these pads now, 120mph to 50mph in no time at all. Wait for Marco to bitch about his organs being re-arranged

Corrected that for you Alexis

I had a good chat with a guy called Ian, he said these will be like nothing else I've used before so I'm hoping they're as good as he's saying.

How have you found them for wear as I used a set of DS2500 last year just on that weekend?

Can't really comment on wear, as the last set of performance pads I had were the DS2500 and they didn't inspire confidence from high speed, but these are just awesome, yes there is alot of dust generated, but it just slows you at a rapid speed, without fuss or issue, I think I was on the brakes for 2 - 3 seconds tops and that brought the speed down like you wouldn't believe. Probably best for Dan or Marco to comment on their performance.

Actually Marco will have a video of the braking performance as he was filming on our hoon session at the A.I photo shoot.

I look forward to their feedback

Hmmm.... probably gonna get a set of these when I replace my current DS2500's.

Begbie - I assume carbotech are well upto speed with which pads with fit my D2 6 pots (as they are the same as k-sport 6 pots)?

Chris, yes they should be. Although I'm on 8-pot calipers

Show off

Many pots = much smoke...

Xp-10's ordered. Now fingers crossed my tyres (federal 595rsr) and pads turn up in time

Marco's moaning about the brakes

Sounds lovely, the car I mean.

Where is that anyway?

Have a look in the members section to see about about it

Carbotech pads are truly awesome, very 'tried and tested'.
100 times better than EBC IMHO.

well, speaking from a test run in Begbie's car...

we managed to get from 120mph to 50mph faster than my brain could register.

i no what pads im going for next!!!!!

granted, there was a lot of brake dust and smoke from Begbie's brakes

these pads have fantastic stopping power!!!

so about 3 hours then?

Carbotech XP-10's ordered for Spa.

Contact number is 01768 885000, very helpful chap called Ian who makes/distributes them.

Given there are now at least 4 of us running them at Spa, he could get some repeat business if they work well for us.

Also, have found the Carbone Lorraine RC6's are available through Demontweeks, but with a 38 day lead time ( ) and at a cost of around £260 delivered. Ouch...

A future group buy deal on the Carbotechs maybe?

count me in Dan

i would not even put EBC in the same sentance as these pads...

going to get a set once i kill the pagid blues!

Carbone Lorraine are available direct, at a lot cheaper price. From memory about £160. I was going to try some of these but they were not in stock when I needed some.
Went for Pagid RS14s instead. I had problems with these waiting for them to be replaceced with a set of RS15's

How did people get on with the XP-10's at Spa?

They work very well,but i will let the others sum them up

These will be on my shopping list for my next track day

Another convert then

Has anyone put the X8 or X10s on with new disc's at the same time ? I would like to see how the disc's fair from new.
I have witnessed how good they are,but would like to see how long they last on track along with the disc's.

[quoteI couldn’t get them to fade and found I could brake much later than I previously could when using the Yellowstuff.][/quote]
How is this possible without using the wall????

If you rate them then i will get some.

I have had 2 sets of yellows literally crumble and detatch off the metal after 1 track day each.
The brakes never faded and were very sharp.

My rear yellow pads have been in for 7 track sessions now and have about 3,mm lift on them.

I like them alot despite the short life but will give these a try.
Whats the contact details Matt and whos the best to speak to?

My yellowstuff fell to bits when i removed them.

Talk to a chap called Ian. Telephone; 01768 885000

They squeal like a donkey so im going to try get some shims for mine.

Nice one monkey boy

Liking the analogy, and mine squeal equally, each side in two tones of squeal, just like a massive EEEE-OOOORRR!

And, I've got shims fitted too!

Pads went in dry without copper grease when they were fitted, whether this makes any difference to noise, or just that the grease helps pop them into the calipers easier (mine fell in).

As to longevity of pads/discs using these, time will tell. I fitted new discs, pads, and calipers for Spa. Sure as hell stopped when called on, but I have a bit of judder at motorway speeds which feels like it could be the n/s/f bearing. It's unbearable right now

When I spoke to Ian before Spa, I enquired about a group buy discount, which he seemed keen to setup? I said I'd give him a call after Spa to give feedback, so will enquire further...

Shims don't work!

Amen.....
They dont,but people still waste there money and time with these things,.

Shhh, or we'll never be able to sell these things again!

I've had XP8's with new 3G disc's, the pads last long with many trackdays, but they do eat on the 3G disc's a bit. Suppose it's either the pads or the disc that has to give..

Thanks Per,it's what i was thinking also.

Spoke to them today,
Very helpful and they also agree that Compbrake are a bunch of useless .
Said they will last 10k or 5 trackdays on average but agreed they do eat discs.
That said i usually mince the discs by the 3rd set of pads anyway.
He sad to use the godspeed discs tat are sold in Wales for longitivity and best results.

Anybody get any info on Carbotech Group Buy then?