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Re: Major manifold failure
[Re: Countrycruising]
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22/12/2011 13:08
22/12/2011 13:08
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900quid_20vt
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I have had a few chats with Paul now, after finally getting his attention and not surprisingly (without being uncivil myself!) he is err- uncivil!
It's funny how he was lovely when he was "designing" them back on '09 (see posts). The thing that annoyed me most was there was no mention that they were made in China at the sale stage- as in NEVER MENTIONED. I bought this on the understanding that an engineer, or someone of some skill at least made this in the UK. He never said as much (cleverly!) but that's what the posts from '09 and the ebay add lead me to believe. I certainly would not have bought it knowing the welding had been done in China.
Whatever weaselly excuses he comes up with now, it is without doubt that he has never been transparent from the word go. Annoyingly i bought his manifold and replaced mine when actually it was just a gasket issue. Stupidly i sold the old OEM item believing i now had the superior part fitted- if only i had known my poor fiat had a Chop Suey exhaust then!
Now i have just been told by a local engineering company that under closer inspection it is FULL of cracks and will cost hundreds to repair (a full reweld!!). The chap said without doubt it's an issue with design and poor welding equipment/ settings that has caused it. Unlikely just a one off.
And so it seems, on here alone there are quite a few unhappy customers, i have messaged some of you via different forums/ebay and i wondered if Kayjay could give me more info regarding those members considering legal action. Certainly if anyone would like to send me a private message of support i would most welcome it. At the very least i would like to seek his removal from ebay entirely.
Perhaps since i have his full address, phone number, email etc etc a few of us could go knock on his door, is that legal and is it pointless?
He tells me he is currently unemployed (though i suspect this is a lie) but perhaps he will think twice about making money in this country via some numpty firm in China in future.
If you don't make it yourself you can't vouch for the quality, and if you lead people to believe it is made here by you or by someone locally in the this country you MUST except that people will be seriously annoyed when they are NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE. He doesn't help himself by ignoring ebay messages for so long, it just makes me (and others no doubt) more keen to kick up a fuss.
Anyway i look (sort of) forward to hearing from some peeps!
Oh and anyone got an OEM manifold at a good price?
Or, for that matter, does anyone want to buy a badly cracked , Chinese made exhaust manifold?
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 13:10
22/12/2011 13:10
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nismo
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I guess you never bought one then.. NO , thank god 
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 13:10
22/12/2011 13:10
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Thanks for the post
I guess you never bought one then..
Paul I actually did buy one, but took one look at it and sold it straight on as I wasn't going to put it on my car. Glad I did as it probably would have caused me pain.
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 13:13
22/12/2011 13:13
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900quid_20vt
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Thanks for the post
I guess you never bought one then..
Paul Not all stuff from China fails, most of the stuff in the world is made in China.
The supplier also made 16vt manifolds which have been sold all over the world by the thousands. Yes indeed. But it normally says on those items where they are made and the information is not concealed from potential buyers at point of sale now is it? Moreover i trust large chinese companies to make some electronics (ipod for example), however i certainly don't trust Chinese cars or much of there small run engineering. Your manifolds are a smallish run and specialist engineering is exactly the sort of thing the british are known for (and good at- just look at Formula 1!!), not the chinese! I think Paul knew very well that he wouldn't sell a single one if people knew where it had been engineered and that is exactly why he kept that information concealed.
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 13:16
22/12/2011 13:16
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Nigel
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Did I supply you one and replace it for free?
Paul Most definitely not.
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 13:20
22/12/2011 13:20
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Thanks for the post
I guess you never bought one then..
Paul I actually did buy one, but took one look at it and sold it straight on as I wasn't going to put it on my car. Glad I did as it probably would have caused me pain. There's no 'probably' about it!! 
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 13:22
22/12/2011 13:22
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Not all stuff from China fails, most of the stuff in the world is made in China.
The supplier also made 16vt manifolds which have been sold all over the world by the thousands. I very much doubt that they sold thousands of 16VT manifolds. And China does produce an awful lot of crap, unfortunately there seems to be little alternative in this country largely due to resellers going for the cheap to buy option.
16VT and X1/9 1500
We must all do our part for the planet.
I unplugged a row of electric cars that nobody was using.
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Re: Major manifold failure
[Re: PeteP]
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22/12/2011 13:31
22/12/2011 13:31
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Not all stuff from China fails, most of the stuff in the world is made in China.
The supplier also made 16vt manifolds which have been sold all over the world by the thousands. I very much doubt that they sold thousands of 16VT manifolds. And China does produce an awful lot of crap, unfortunately there seems to be little alternative in this country largely due to resellers going for the cheap to buy option. Are you saying, Paul Lyons/ fcck2000 is a liar, surely not?
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 14:08
22/12/2011 14:08
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Jonny
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To be fair, if these manifolds went wrong after a year when they were out of warranty, there's nothing you can do about it legally.
Google SOGA and 6 years
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Re: Major manifold failure
[Re: Rob_78]
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22/12/2011 14:27
22/12/2011 14:27
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I too have had problems with the stainless manifold I bought.
I fitted it while the engine was out of the coop & less than 6months & less than 1000 miles it was blowing !!
Took it off to find that the 5th branch (gearbox side) had cracked all the way around the weild & blown part of it out. Also found cracking along the weild where the manifold joins the turbo.
Had to buy another standard manifold from a helpful specialist that was over £200 inc postage with a Fiat 3 plated metal manifold gasket & all is ok now.
I'm pi**ed off that I paid for a crap manifold that also didn't seal to the cylinder head with the gasket supplied.
My 2 pennies worth. I was offered a repair for £30 but decided against it due to the poor workmanship. Just wanted a refund as it didn't even last 1000 miles. I still have it as a memory of a bad buy 
LE 557 - full on resteration in progress
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Re: Major manifold failure
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#1299514
22/12/2011 14:28
22/12/2011 14:28
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Nigel
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14 Implied terms about quality or fitness.
(1)Except as provided by this section and section 15 below and subject to any other enactment, there is no implied [F11term] about the quality or fitness for any particular purpose of goods supplied under a contract of sale.
[F12(2)Where the seller sells goods in the course of a business, there is an implied term that the goods supplied under the contract are of satisfactory quality.
(2A)For the purposes of this Act, goods are of satisfactory quality if they meet the standard that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking account of any description of the goods, the price (if relevant) and all the other relevant circumstances.
(2B)For the purposes of this Act, the quality of goods includes their state and condition and the following (among others) are in appropriate cases aspects of the quality of goods—
(a)fitness for all the purposes for which goods of the kind in question are commonly supplied,
(b)appearance and finish,
(c)freedom from minor defects,
(d)safety, and
(e)durability.
(2C)The term implied by subsection (2) above does not extend to any matter making the quality of goods unsatisfactory—
(a)which is specifically drawn to the buyer’s attention before the contract is made,
(b)where the buyer examines the goods before the contract is made, which that examination ought to reveal, or
(c)in the case of a contract for sale by sample, which would have been apparent on a reasonable examination of the sample.] 2B is the killer... Interestingly, if these HAD been sold as "Chinese-made, with dubious-quality welding", Paul would no longer be liable. As it is, there would appear to be an obvious claim on several counts.
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Re: Major manifold failure
[Re: Nigel]
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22/12/2011 15:23
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[/quote]
2B is the killer...
Interestingly, if these HAD been sold as "Chinese-made, with dubious-quality welding", Paul would no longer be liable. As it is, there would appear to be an obvious claim on several counts. [/quote]
And if he HAD sold it as Chinese-made he would have no unhappy customers at all, well maybe just no customers. Paul was dishonest at the point of sale, I wonder if he's a car salesman? I think he thinks because he forgot to tell us (rather than outright lie) he is in the clear, but it's just as bad to imply or not to tell consumers about things that are quite obviously very relevant.
Incidentally if the company has gone bust in China, then you won't mind given us there details, if it's true what you say you shouldn't mind at all.
These other manifolds on ebay are being made in china also according to their seller so i wonder if it is the same chinese company, or under a different name? It all looks very very shady!
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 15:25
22/12/2011 15:25
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fcck2000
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You bought a manifold 2 years ago.
You did not contact me via ebay you made an offer on a item I was selling with a comment of how you were having issues with your manifold. The next day you bought my item left back feedback, fired abuse and threaten me because I refuse to give you a full refund.
Every buyer who ever bought from me also has my full name and address, not sure why you think this is special to you.
So you think the way forward is to try and find a thug on the forum to come to my door?? seriously you really need to step back a bit and think what you are saying.
Paul
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 15:33
22/12/2011 15:33
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The company has gone bust, they also went with some of my money which I invested into having a 20vt equal length manifold prototyped up. So maybe justice heh.
Paul
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 15:40
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"Perhaps since i have his full address, phone number, email etc etc a few of us could go knock on his door, is that legal and is it pointless?"
I'm in all over Christmas why not pop over yourself?
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Re: Major manifold failure
[Re: PeteP]
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22/12/2011 15:57
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The company have sold thousands, they also supplied most of the well known brands like Supersprint HKS etc. I don't see the suppliers of these products rushing out to say "made in china" on them.
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 16:15
22/12/2011 16:15
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The company have sold thousands, they also supplied most of the well known brands like Supersprint HKS etc. I don't see the suppliers of these products rushing out to say "made in china" on them.
Probably because... Complete exhaust systems and exhaust components made in Italy
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Re: Major manifold failure
[Re: Countrycruising]
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22/12/2011 16:24
22/12/2011 16:24
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fcck2000
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Since you are so great at finding old posts can you find the very first posts from when I offered manifolds for sale on the forum?
I've been searching but cannot go back far enough.
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 16:50
22/12/2011 16:50
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You bought a manifold 2 years ago.
You did not contact me via ebay you made an offer on a item I was selling with a comment of how you were having issues with your manifold. The next day you bought my item left back feedback, fired abuse and threaten me because I refuse to give you a full refund.
Every buyer who ever bought from me also has my full name and address, not sure why you think this is special to you.
So you think the way forward is to try and find a thug on the forum to come to my door?? seriously you really need to step back a bit and think what you are saying.
Paul
1) I did buy 'your' manifold from you 2 years ago (and have subsequently done 1500miles with it- utter shite!!). 2)Half truths again- i have copies of the two original messages i sent via ebay asking you to get in contact. After i sent the second i noticed you had an item for sale. When you didn't reply, i messaged you via an offer on your Ferrari 355 exhaust silencer, you then declined the offer and once again ignored me. After that i bought your item, left you negative feedback and came to fccuk to see what was what! After that two other people have bought your item and left you negative feedback and that's up to them. I'm sure others on here might consider the same idea;). Incidentally the only reply i got from you was after i bought the item and left negative feedback and it reads as follows: "Just read your offer of £240 and see you are asking about some issues with a coupe manifold purchased from me. Do you want the exhaust which you have just purchased? if not I'll re-list and start the process to get my final value fee back. Paul". So even then you completely avoid answering the points i made and up this point i was entirely polite. This response from you, unsurprisingly, annoyed me! 3) I never mentioned thug once, i simply asked is it illegal for a few of us to come knocking on your door to ask you in person/ protest. I simply wondered if it would be regarded as a breach of peace and what the deal was? After all you have caused us all a large amount of hassle (illegally, i believe) so why can't we legally come and protest outside your house? Perhaps you could come join in? Regardless you are now putting words in my mouth whereas i have never once deviated from the truth, tyvm!
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 16:51
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The company has gone bust, they also went with some of my money which I invested into having a 20vt equal length manifold prototyped up. So maybe justice heh.
Paul
Wonderful news, their last known contact details then please!
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 16:53
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"Perhaps since i have his full address, phone number, email etc etc a few of us could go knock on his door, is that legal and is it pointless?"
I'm in all over Christmas why not pop over yourself?
What for tea and biscuits or am i invited for the Christmas meal too?
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 16:58
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The trouble is i haven't bought one of his items and since you said they can't be made by the same supplier (since they have gone bust) what does it have to do with him or his suppliers- think what YOU are saying- you can't have it both ways. Not to mention i have already spoken to him on the phone (nice polite fella in Wales!) and he has had very little trouble with his. And so it proves on the forums, can't find anything about him- only you!! Feel free to prove me wrong, i didn't spend all day looking.....
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 17:01
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Utter stupidity, it is a repair service on a known troublesome/badly designed item. Of course they only offer 12 months warranty- how ridiculous can you get.
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Re: Major manifold failure
[Re: Nigel]
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22/12/2011 17:02
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He's only sold one Coupe manifold in the last two years Ha ha, that will be why i can't dig anything up on him then......
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 17:04
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The thread I'm looking for is the one where I listed them for sale.
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Re: Major manifold failure
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22/12/2011 17:05
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The company have sold thousands, they also supplied most of the well known brands like Supersprint HKS etc. I don't see the suppliers of these products rushing out to say "made in china" on them.
And how on earth do we know if that is true, when you won't tell us who they are. And if they are so great, why the hell did they go bust? You really digging yourself a hole now....
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