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Sound deadening #1166939
06/02/2011 11:01
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Thinking of putting a whole load of sound deadening material into the coupe when I put my new sound system in....

Personally I think dynamat and the like is a bit of a rip off. You get all kinds of sound deadening materials on the market, but dynamat is expensive because it is for car audio and not buildings/floors.

Looked at all the threads on here recommending flashing tape, but I'm not sure I like the idea of the smell.

I've found some laminate flooring underlay which only costs £23.49 for 10.2 square metres. It is meant to reduce sound by 20dB. High Performance Underlay

Or even cheaper at Screwfix when they get it back in stock: Screwfix

If it really works in the car to provide a 20Db barrier then I'm going for it. 10sqm for that price means I could put it down under the rear seats, rear panels, door and still have enough left to do the inside of the firewall. Might even do two layers at that price.

I'll report back on how well it works :-)

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1166943
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Underlay won't stop your metal panels from vibrating, you need adhesive contact onto the metal surfaces to eliminate this.
You could put the underlay over this as a secondary barrier but a thick felt is just as efficient.


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Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1166944
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There is no smell from the flashing tape, i've got rolls of the stuff in mine!


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Re: Sound deadening [Re: Rob40] #1166947
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Originally Posted By: Rob40
There is no smell from the flashing tape, i've got rolls of the stuff in mine!


+1

Certainly the stuff in B&Q doesn't smell not even in the height of summer (ha! that mythical one hot day in August!) or with the heating turned up full bung, like us old gimps prefer! laugh

Save your money for the components and buy flashing tape. Very worst case scenario: after a few months you discover you bought a different brand of tape that does smell and you have to take it out, which is simple enough to do.


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Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1166959
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Originally Posted By: spookly


I've found some laminate flooring underlay which only costs £23.49 for 10.2 square metres. It is meant to reduce sound by 20dB. High Performance Underlay

Or even cheaper at Screwfix when they get it back in stock: Screwfix

It is also worth noting that even as underlayy the above is terrible. Get some some timbermate silent gold underlay it is infinately better.

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1167057
06/02/2011 15:39
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Not getting into the debate about flashing tape vs sound deadening,but there are other cheaper brands then dynamatt.
I spent a lot of money on my stereo and thought another £50 was worth it,do it once and all that!
I brought the silent coat stuff and i'm happy.
you could always mix and match "proper" sound deadening like silent coat or e-dead etc,with the flashing tape for best of both worlds.

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1168626
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So which flashing tape brand?

Any links?

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1168644
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Hows about this one? Is this the right kind of stuff?

Flashing Tape (Screwfix)

The only stuff I could find on B&Q's website was tar backed roofing repair flashing tape.

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1168670
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That's exactly what I used. I did both rear 3/4's when fitting my 6x9's and both front doors and had a load left over. Works a treat and you get a satisfying thud when you shut the doors.

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1170901
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In my last Coupe, I used two rolls of B&Q 4" flashing tape in the back half of the car (never got round to doing the doors)

I did the inside of the rear quarters, the rear seat base, the rear seat back and most of the sides of the boot

It made a noticeable difference to general road noise, AND there was no smell at all

Next time round, I'll do the insides of the doors as well


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Re: Sound deadening [Re: Nigel] #1170934
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Personally I love the road noise (tyres, wind and exhaust) - they remind me that I am driving something rather quick and special, rather than a sanitised German or Japmobile.

What I really hate is the lack of radio reception. The sound system in each car is superb when listening to CDs or iPod, but I need my BBC 5Live and Radio 4 TMS. I will be banned from FCCUK, but I need an external ariel unless I win the lottery and fit some extraordinary DAB system..

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1170967
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I am looking at sound deadening mine too, if go down the flashing tape route, will this (or any other adhesive mat) be a problem should I need to get any car park dints removed? I have heard it is very sticky and can cause damage when removed - is this factor eliminated with the use of a heat gun/hairdryer?

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1170970
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I only sound deadened the inside sections of the panels since these were the sections which the speakers were attached to. It worked well for me.

Re: Sound deadening [Re: Gunzi] #1171030
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May just do that then :-)

Re: Sound deadening [Re: X19_pilot] #1171033
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Originally Posted By: X19_pilot
I am looking at sound deadening mine too, if go down the flashing tape route, will this (or any other adhesive mat) be a problem should I need to get any car park dints removed? I have heard it is very sticky and can cause damage when removed - is this factor eliminated with the use of a heat gun/hairdryer?


Just cut a hole in it laugh

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1171099
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Originally Posted By: spookly
Originally Posted By: X19_pilot
I am looking at sound deadening mine too, if go down the flashing tape route, will this (or any other adhesive mat) be a problem should I need to get any car park dints removed? I have heard it is very sticky and can cause damage when removed - is this factor eliminated with the use of a heat gun/hairdryer?


Just cut a hole in it laugh


Great idea! I'll use a hole saw drill bit to keep it nice and neat! hehe

Any sensible answers out there? laugh

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1171198
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It easily peels off. Dints can be repaired and another piece of tape installed. Simples.


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Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1171591
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Thanks Stan! smile

A trip to B & Q at the weekend then! laugh

Re: Sound deadening [Re: X19_pilot] #1171691
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Originally Posted By: X19_pilot
Thanks Stan! smile

A trip to B & Q at the weekend then! laugh


If you can't find any at B&Q then I just bought a roll of 10m x 225mm for £15. Screwfix Flashing Tape

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1171755
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Cheers Spookly. thumb

Probably just going to do the rear quarters for now, but out of interest, how many rolls do you reckon I would need to do the floor pan?

Re: Sound deadening [Re: X19_pilot] #1171774
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Originally Posted By: X19_pilot
Cheers Spookly. thumb

Probably just going to do the rear quarters for now, but out of interest, how many rolls do you reckon I would need to do the floor pan?


Off the top of my head I'd reckon on one roll or thereabouts.
I bought one roll the other day and as soon as it isn't raining I'll be doing inside door panels, rear quarters, and possibly the floor too.

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1171890
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Doing the roof makes a big difference too.

Re: Sound deadening [Re: bockers] #1171925
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Originally Posted By: bockers
Doing the roof makes a big difference too.



We should maybe stress on the inside! wink


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Re: Sound deadening [Re: stan] #1172089
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The flashing is good but remember that stuff £ for £ is really only good for stopping sound resonance (panel vibration). If you want to reduce cabin noise then you'll want some kind of sound barrier.

Have a read of this to get a better understanding of what needs to be done to a car to get the best out of you efforts.

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1172492
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Yes I don't understand why people stick heavy stuff in their Coupes when it doesn't even insulate better than the usual foam stuff on the inner panels/doorcards.

I've used the same material on both Coupe, Argenta and Punto and it works very well, and weighs close to nothing. Full car = around 3kg extra? And it's usually dead cheap.

This is my inner rear panel of the Punto: (this also has a thin foil layer for temp insulation) http://www.garaget.org/?car=108840&image=2091800

I suppose there's a reason why cars have foam in such places factoryfitted. (Not the Punto nor Coupe though..) wink

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1172499
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So what exactly are you using Per?

And if you're ever over to Belgium, you're free to come over and do mine. smile


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Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1172561
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Sorry, should have had a link!

This is what I've bought, should be around outside Sweden too..

http://www.biltema.se/sv/Bil---MC/Bil-tillbehor/Ljuddampare/Ljuddampningsplatta/

It's self-adhesive but a string by the glue-gun around the edges locks it in place.

For sure, will visit the next time in Belgium! smile

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1172565
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Looks like old mouldy cereals. laugh

What thickness did you go for? From my splendid Swedish I derive that these are actually specific for boats, cars,...?


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Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1172620
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Very good! smile It says "cars, boats, campers etc"

Depends; on the doorcards it's tight so I used 10mm more, in the rear panels there's more empty space for the 30mm ones..

Obviously there's a bit of trial'n'error to fit the doorcards for example, but this foam is easily cut away where you need to.

Re: Sound deadening [Re: ] #1172749
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All this is getting confusing now! confused laugh

Per is your recommendation a standard sound insulation that should be available from my local ICE retailer? Just had a look at your link but my Swedish is a little rusty - by rusty I mean worse than my old X19... AKA none existent! laugh

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