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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: ] #1019980
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Thanks Paul,
Mine was dropping into the yellow for idle speed.
It looks like you had a warmer day.

I was thinking about replacing the thermostat so the £20 on adaptors saved me £40+ smile and I can use them on the Alfa.

It would be good to try it on the road.

Peter

Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: skinflint] #1019988
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Peter, which alfa? I reckon this code will also work with 145/146 1.4 to 2.0, 155 1.6 to 2.0, and GTV/Spider.

Unless you've something more recent, in which case it'll need the OBD software.


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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: barnacle] #1020005
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I have some software called "Examiner". I haven't run it up yet but there are some jobs needed like resetting the airbag light.

Has the OBD level gone up on the later ones? Mine is a 2004 156 TS.

Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: skinflint] #1020018
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Originally Posted By: skinflint
Thanks Paul,
Mine was dropping into the yellow for idle speed.
It looks like you had a warmer day.

I was thinking about replacing the thermostat so the £20 on adaptors saved me £40+ smile and I can use them on the Alfa.

It would be good to try it on the road.

Peter

The only reason my idle is a tad higher is that is the way flea maps them....higher idle speed.
No big deal though.
It was a very warm day too mate smile
Paul

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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: ] #1020024
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Skinflint, everything after 2001 is OBDII by regulation. Some stuff before then is also OBDII, but not standardised.


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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: barnacle] #1020053
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Thanks for that. I'm just trying to install it now to see what happens.

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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: skinflint] #1022164
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After a little prodding from Johna, I can now announce that the latest version of startrek_bosch_v2 works quite cheerfully in Linux.

It needs to run in the wine emulator, and you'll need to make a virtual link to connect the USB port:

In the ~/.wine/dosservices directory, do

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sudo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 com1
(assuming your adaptor gets mapped to USB0 - you can check that by looking at the last few lines of dmesg, which will be something like:

Originally Posted By: dmesg

[459261.051656] usb 4-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
[459261.235376] usb 4-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[459261.307448] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial
[459261.307471] USB Serial support registered for generic
[459261.307519] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial_generic
[459261.307524] usbserial: USB Serial Driver core
[459261.327079] USB Serial support registered for FTDI USB Serial Device
[459261.327203] ftdi_sio 4-2:1.0: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[459261.327243] usb 4-2: Detected FT232BM
[459261.327246] usb 4-2: Number of endpoints 2
[459261.327250] usb 4-2: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[459261.327253] usb 4-2: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[459261.327256] usb 4-2: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[459261.329243] usb 4-2: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[459261.329269] usbcore: registered new interface driver ftdi_sio
[459261.329272] ftdi_sio: v1.5.0:USB FTDI Serial Converters Driver


By setting it up to com1, you don't need to tell startrek what port to use.

Simples!

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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: barnacle] #1026180
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Hi Barnacle,

I appreciate this wouldn't be very accurate but there's a thread here with an equation that allows you to calculate boost in PSI from MAF and RPM.

P = 942(MFR/RPM) - 14.7 

The thread is here...
Audiworld

I'm wondering if it might be a useful add on to Star Trek as I'd love to know what mine boosts to without having to add a gauge.

A peak hold would be nice too.

Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: skinflint] #1026205
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I'm not sure about his numbers. (It's certainly not the same multiplier, since the MAF is in g/s on the Audi and cubic metres per hour in the coupe.)

His maf sensor returns a mass; the fiat value gives a volume which is affected by temperature to give mass. Not something I'm planning, though.


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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: barnacle] #1026249
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Thanks for looking into it anyway.
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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: skinflint] #1026703
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I'm just looking into producing a Delphi Application that reads all the ODBCII codes and displays them in a graphical stylee...
Since Delphi is compiled, the response times should be really fast.
I'm aiming for straight display first of all, in time I should be able to do data logging for use with a laptop on the passenger seat, as in the F1 Scene....

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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: ] #1026710
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Except that the coupé isn't OBDCII-compliant confused


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As long as I can get the data in on USB and know the codes I can make it work for anything.

I'm just starting to read up on it.

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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: ] #1026714
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Ah, okay, just wanted to make sure you knew that the coupé uses a pre-OBDC protocol, that's all smile


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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: stan] #1026717
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I've just been reading the StarTrek source code, the fact that it's well commented makes my work easier, I'll get on it this week, bit quiet at work...

Oh, and I'll have to buy a Coop to test it on, another excuse.... laugh laugh laugh

Oh and some cables, still, I'll be able to work out the data structures and interface this week...
Should have a screenshot by Friday.

From above:

Originally Posted By: barnacle
I'm not sure about his numbers. (It's certainly not the same multiplier, since the MAF is in g/s on the Audi and cubic metres per hour in the coupe.)

His maf sensor returns a mass; the fiat value gives a volume which is affected by temperature to give mass. Not something I'm planning, though.


I should be able to add things like this too, easypeasy when I know the correct formula.

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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: ] #1027165
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First attempt at my project.
click to enlarge
The application opens in a 800X600 window, I am going to add menu options to change to a 1024X768 screen and a normal windows background (your normal theme choice).
I'm working on the data structures right now.
Any comments please?

Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: ] #1027179
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click to enlarge

There's not a lot of point graphing the lambda; the cycle time of the response from the ECU is too slow to avoid aliasing the values.

I think you need to be a bit smaller than 600 high - otherwise, people with netbooks complain that they can't fit it all on screen, with the start bar below.

Glad the source is useful - please note the LGPL licence requirements and publish your source once you start distributing!


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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: barnacle] #1027198
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Originally Posted By: barnacle


There's not a lot of point graphing the lambda; the cycle time of the response from the ECU is too slow to avoid aliasing the values.

I think you need to be a bit smaller than 600 high - otherwise, people with netbooks complain that they can't fit it all on screen, with the start bar below.

Glad the source is useful - please note the LGPL licence requirements and publish your source once you start distributing!


click to enlarge

Done and Done...

You can see the size menu dropped down.

thanks Barnacle, I can see I'm going be getting plenty of input from you, it's appreciated.

Since I don't have a Coop just yet, maybe I can send you the prototype for testing?

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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: ] #1027204
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That looks amasing.......would look rather cool as a permanent display near the dash.
Pity it can't be intergrated into a small display and not have to depend on a laptop......mine has a 17" screen so it's a bit chunky to bolt to the dash....lol

edit....for reasons beyond my control.

I suppose you could use a notebook as the brains and then run a small remote LCD screen off the notebook ?
May be a bit of a waste though and there has to be a better alternative I would have thought.
Paul

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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: ] #1027212
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interesting

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I've resized it to run on a 800X600 netbook screen, they're getting to be cheap enough nowadays.

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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: ] #1027216
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Aaaaaah man, i feel like i'm really missing out with my 20V VIS!

*sulk*


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Originally Posted By: Darlo_Nick
Aaaaaah man, i feel like i'm really missing out with my 20V VIS!

*sulk*


I'll second that...can the VIS be covered???pleeaassee! wink

Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: ] #1027336
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JJ, if you can read Italian, and write code, and make sense of the docs, I've got them. You're wlecome. But they make no great amount of sense to me... though I did others from Italian.

Surfer, happy to test but I'm usually a linux user - ideally it needs to compile to a single .exe (as startrek does) statically linked with no DLLs or runtimes required.

Hint hint, use the comms and status code from startrek_bosch_v2. It's why I broke it out - it's effectively standalone, though I haven't finished breaking out the initialisation and the errorgrab code yet.

Hint hint 2 - which 155 ecu do you have? The same Bosch 2.10.4 was used on many... in which case it'll work the same for you.


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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: barnacle] #1027339
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Oh, and your air will go a lot hotter even on an NA - I've seen sixty plus.

What does the slider do?


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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: barnacle] #1027350
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I too am a Linux used, even though most of the systems I support are Microshaft-based.

As I'm programming it in Delphi(Pascal) I won't be using any DLLs and the code compiles into one standalone executable.

I've written several appplications using serial comms for work, I'll be providing my own comms interface for this application.

Let me have copies of the Italian docs for the VIS, can't do any harm for me to have a look... is the connector the same?

The scale of all the components can be changed easily under Delphi, that's why I use it.

The slider has no use yet... unless of course the Bosch allows programming of the revs, then it could be used to rev the engine...
I'mn going to use it to test the operation of the controls.

I've got a 2litre TS 8v Alfa, but not for much longer.

I'll finds out if there's any interest on the Alfa forums, I'm a member of Alfa155.org

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Ok, I popped a comment on alfaowners. pm me an email, so I can send you the docs.


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Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: barnacle] #1027365
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Originally Posted By: barnacle
Peter, which alfa? I reckon this code will also work with 145/146 1.4 to 2.0, 155 1.6 to 2.0, and GTV/Spider.

Unless you've something more recent, in which case it'll need the OBD software.


My cable arrived today, and I have a 97 Phase I Spider, so will let you know if it works laugh

Re: Announcing: Star Trek for 20v/vt [Re: barnacle] #1027366
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Neil,

Happy to have ago at translating them...get a little stuck on code...ok programming in DBase4 back in the 80's...get's a bit complicated after that!

JJ

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Works on a 1997 Phase 1 2.0 TS Alfa Spider laugh

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