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Distance mapping with FC performance!! #750033
18/01/2009 09:32
18/01/2009 09:32

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Hi mates,
As you may know, im one of few here who lives in the Middle East and im suffering from the lake of expertise & live mapping services. I have almost all the required modifications to be on the 300hp mark but unfortunately, without proper mapping, I could only achieve the following figures with 1.2bar:
- Power: 271.7hp at 6800rpm
- Torque: 195Lb.ft at 5600rpm

With the following mods:
GT28R Turbo
H&S DP
PA FMIC
PA SIP with Apexi cone filter
SuperSprint De-cat & Cat back sys.
PRV
Gtech1 HF
Walbro 255 with wiring mod
HKS SSQ BOV
7ET NGK Spark Plugs

In addition to that, I have few problems with my torque, spool up & fueling and I have added Gtech 2 HF later on. For those who don’t know my story, have alook on this link

Due to that, I have discussed with flea (FCperformance) to use one of his mapping stages and we have agreed that we could use the “trial and error” method until we get the correct map. Top chap flea (with thanks) will help me to do re-mapping and will give me recommendations until we get it right. In the beginning I will try to use stage 3 map and then I will do RR to check the results. Although it’s a long distance mapping \:D , but im sure that we could get good results. This method will help a lot of people here who couldn’t get any mapping facilities in their countries.

I will start updating this thread with the results and I hope we could get it right from the first time. My initial graphs: HP vs AFR & Torque Vs AFR

Thanks again flea and wish me luck ;\)

Omran

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #750051
18/01/2009 11:08
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Do you have a boost graph?

How much power are you hoping for? The GT28R should be good for over 300 HP.


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Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #750323
18/01/2009 18:20
18/01/2009 18:20

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Nice to hear this Omran..

I wish and hope that this "overseas mapping" works fine with you as I am considering "FC Performance" for my chip when my engine is ready.. it will be trial and error path for me as well \:D

I hope you get the maximum power out of your mods with this chip.. and don't forget, I will be attending the RR with you ;\)

Good luck mate

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #750438
18/01/2009 20:51
18/01/2009 20:51

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@Freddan72, well, Flea is aiming to map it at 1.4bar but im not sure if my PRV could handle it. anyway, im hoping for the 300hp mark..

@hani, thanks mate, you will be the first to attend the RR ;\)

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #785106
02/03/2009 13:26
02/03/2009 13:26

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Update!

After fitting the map from FC performance, I have achieved the following:

Power : 297.3 hp @ 6400rpm laugh (power Vs AFR, Torque vs AFR , Boost , old vs new power (wheel) , new vs old Torque )

All car problems as well as the strange torque drop were solved by the map. My target was to hit the 300 mark and we are almost there. The car is running very rich now and we have to fix it. flea is going to tune it a bit for me and will try it again on RR. i know it is better to wash the cylinders, but is it safe to run the car with rich AFR or not? anyway, im very very satisfied with the results laugh.

i have to admit that this was only done by flea efforts! He has taken my old graphs as a base and burn a new map on a plug and play chip (stage 3 map). I have to say that it is an astonishing effort from flea and he has proven that he could do lots of great things, so thank you flea.

So if you dont have mapping facilities, dont worry! FC performance is certainly the answer wink

special thanks to hani who has supported me all the way thumb

cheers

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #786170
03/03/2009 16:04
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Is it 297.3 HP at the wheel?
If so then you are well over 300 HP at the crank smile


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https://youtu.be/O9qrLj3Ap00 Now FCP Stage3!
Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: Freddan72] #786282
03/03/2009 17:24
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It made 297bhp @ 274lbs/ft at the flywheel, and 245bhp at the wheels.

This is a gain of 26bhp from the previous run but with a much broader torque curve. I'm pretty sure it will see over 300bhp on the next run smile


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Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: Flea] #786330
03/03/2009 17:55
03/03/2009 17:55

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Great news omran, when its fueling perfectly you will definatly see over 300hp wink

when my car was fueling rich at a afr 10.1 my car put out 290bhp. ..

Now fueling at mid elevens where it should be smile

its put out approx 320bhp at 1.4bar and 340 at 1.5bar laugh


not saying yours is gonna hit them exact firgures may be higher/lower but just thought id say wink

You will be officially part of 300bhp+ club laugh


P.s And plenty more torque too tongue

Last edited by luke; 03/03/2009 17:56. Reason: p.s
Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #786373
03/03/2009 18:34
03/03/2009 18:34

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Great Omran.. I'm really glad for you and we spent nice time at the RR smile

I think after a bit tuning of the fueling, you will be above the 300hp for sure thumb

It's also nice to have the steady power curve with no strange drops like the previous one

It seems the overseas mapping is working fine.. so I will be in good shape when my turn comes laugh

Good job Flea thumb

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: Flea] #786381
03/03/2009 18:39
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Thanks for the info Flea. It's nice to see that the long distance mapping is working smile

It looks really rich to me. Flea will fix it, don't you worry wink


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https://youtu.be/O9qrLj3Ap00 Now FCP Stage3!
Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: Freddan72] #786762
04/03/2009 07:06
04/03/2009 07:06

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@Freddan72, thanks mate for your wishes and im sure that flea could solve it for me..i can smell that you are thinking of using the distance mapping idea wink

@Flea, thanks for showing the figures, you did a very good job and I really appreciate your efforts. Im kinda sure that we could pass the 300 mark by fixing the fuel thing..

@luke, great news laugh so you are giving me an indication to break the 310hp mark laugh that’s great..im working with flea now to solve it and will let you know the results smile

@hani, thanks mate for your support, we really spent good time there and will be waiting to see your car there wink

With help of flea, I will solve the fuelling soon and i will post the results…wish me luck mates smile

cheers

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #798039
20/03/2009 12:07
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Any news Omran?


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Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: Freddan72] #799924
24/03/2009 08:29
24/03/2009 08:29

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hi freddan, i was away for two weeks and im back now for some action laugh ... i have already replaced the old chip with a new one from Flea (thanks mate). i will do RR by today/tomorrow and will let you know the results.

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #802679
27/03/2009 19:44
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Omran will post his official results and graphs, but the new results are now in wink

309.3hp (1.6bar - 1.2bar)
305.4hp (1.4bar - 1.0bar)







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Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: Flea] #802726
27/03/2009 20:58
27/03/2009 20:58

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yup laugh as flea said,,,it made 309 with correct AFR (11.3)

i will add the graphs tonight..

big thanx for flea for his top work!

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #802728
27/03/2009 20:59
27/03/2009 20:59

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wink well done

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #803392
29/03/2009 12:31
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Post up your graphs! Were your issues simply down to mapping?

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #803531
29/03/2009 19:06
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Great Omran.. push it hard safely now laugh

and change your signature to show the new numbers wink



Good job Flea thumb

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #803739
30/03/2009 08:08
30/03/2009 08:08

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sorry mates, i was busy with other stuff here and there,,,graphs are on the way...

@ davidub, all problems were solved simply by flea's magic wink

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #803759
30/03/2009 09:09
30/03/2009 09:09

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Sorry for being late mates,,

ok after swapping the new chip from flea (thanks!) the following has been achieved.

i made two runs, one with 1.6 bar falls to 1.2 at the red line & the second was made on 1.4 bar falls to 1.1 bar at the red line.

results :
309 hp @ 1.6 bar & 305 @ 1.4

graphs:
1.6 bar:
1. power & boost (old vs new chip)
2. AFR & wheel Torque(old vs new chip)
3. wheel power & AFR (old vs new chip)

1.4bar:

1. power & wheel Torque
2. wheel power Vs AFR

with 11.3 AFR, i believe that the car is running safe now, but i will keep the 1.4 to save my internals...what do you think mates?

p.s. thanks flea wink

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #803776
30/03/2009 09:53
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So max torque is 240 lb/ft at 5200 rpm?


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Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: Freddan72] #803818
30/03/2009 10:52
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Max torque is 281 lbs/ft @ 5200rpm (238lbs/ft wheel torque)


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Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: Flea] #803942
30/03/2009 13:28
30/03/2009 13:28

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yup as flea said,,, post edited,,

im officially now in 300+ group laugh

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #803944
30/03/2009 13:32
30/03/2009 13:32

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@ hani,,thanks mate & signature edited wink

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #804169
30/03/2009 19:14
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Okay! Great result Omran. It must be very nice to drive it now. By the way do you use 98 octane?


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https://youtu.be/O9qrLj3Ap00 Now FCP Stage3!
Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: Freddan72] #804429
31/03/2009 06:48
31/03/2009 06:48

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hi freddan,,well it feels very healthy now laugh and im using 97 octane,
cheers mate

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: Freddan72] #804430
31/03/2009 06:56
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hi freddan,,well it feels very healthy now laugh and im using 97 octane,
cheers mate

Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: ] #804480
31/03/2009 09:32
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Nice! I use 98 octane. I may switch to V-Power before next RR session tongue

I will soon change my clutch and up the boost to 1.5 Bar. Hopefully I see 350 HP smile


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Re: Distance mapping with FC performance!! [Re: Freddan72] #805298
01/04/2009 09:59
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good luck mate,,,wish you all the best smile


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