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Re: Belgium GP
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22/08/2014 10:04
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Not much to add to that, Bezzer! Although I think I have Ricciardo in 3rd rather than Bottas. Remembering last season, I reckon Red Bull might come back from the break with a little extra... It debatable about that, as this will be a power circuit, so think the Red Bull's may suffer, as they are all about downforce and as I've typed this, Ted has just said this is the first low down force circuit of the year
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Re: Belgium GP
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22/08/2014 10:24
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And now it's just been announced that Max C will be driving from FP2 onwards
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Re: Belgium GP
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22/08/2014 11:06
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IIRC, the "problem" with Spa is that whilst its a low downforce circuit, there are two epic corners (Eau Rouge and Blanchimont) that require good mechanical grip and balance - the former dictates the speed up the Kemmel straight so is critical
Unless RB has some significant power upgrades, I foresee them being embarrassed on Sunday.
I reckon this is Bottas' best chance this year of the top step on the podium - the Williams is capable enough and Valteri seems to have the will to do it - if Felipe can survive the first lap, he might end up playing a critical role in helping Valteri stay at the front
A also foresee another Mercedes failure, which as long as it's Nico, will keep up the interest in the driver's championship for a little longer.
If both Mercs survive, I don't see a Bahrain-style battle, as I reckon there's a concerted effort on the part of the strategists to keep them apart as much as possible when on track
Sadly though, I reckon at least one of the Mercs will just drive off into the distance, lapping everyone up to 4th or 5th place
Would be nice to see Nico have a poor quali and see whether he can do what Lewis has done, with a strong fight from the back of the grid. Hungary was a game-changer for Lewis, turning 21st in quali to 4th on Sunday (and most importantly, with Nico turning pole into 5th....)
With a bit of luck I'll be at Wings & Wheels, so it'll be difficult to keep away from the results until we get home
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Re: Belgium GP
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22/08/2014 12:17
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Nobody mentioning Ferrari (or specifically, Alonso), but he seems to be in superb form and - in first practice, anyway - the only person able to get within an Ardennois mile of the Mercs... Have Ferrari come to Spa with any upgrades? generally, Alonso does well because he can drive around the car's shortcomings. However, at a power circuit, it will be far less easy to make up any defecit, as there's less driver involvement. On this basis, I'd expect to see Kimi closer to Fernando in quali than he's been so far this year
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Re: Belgium GP
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22/08/2014 13:43
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Nobody mentioning Ferrari (or specifically, Alonso), but he seems to be in superb form and - in first practice, anyway - the only person able to get within an Ardennois mile of the Mercs... Have Ferrari come to Spa with any upgrades? generally, Alonso does well because he can drive around the car's shortcomings. However, at a power circuit, it will be far less easy to make up any defecit, as there's less driver involvement. On this basis, I'd expect to see Kimi closer to Fernando in quali than he's been so far this year There was an interesting sound bite said about Ferrari (I wasn't paying too much attention, since I'm WFH and meant to be documenting! ) but the crux of it was that Ferrari knew that they were going to be down on power with the engine and that they were relying on aerodynamics to make up the shortfall of the engine power.
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Re: Belgium GP
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22/08/2014 14:32
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FP2 on BBC 2 now, currently in a second red flag period of the session.
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Re: Belgium GP
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24/08/2014 17:38
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The accident did spoil the race but we should be pleased that it didn't turn into a one horse race.
For the last few years F1 fans have had to endure one fast driver dominating almost everything. We should be happy that Mercedes do at least have two drivers in their car who, despite being quite different are both hugely capable of winning races.
It is such a shame that the current Australian star didn't replace Webber a few years ago and show everyone how skilled Mr Vettel really is.
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Re: Belgium GP
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24/08/2014 22:35
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Not sure Rosberg will have impressed Lauda or Wolff. Neither looked too happy when talking about him.
Starting to look like Rosberg is the one with the mental attitude issues.
Last edited by Roadking; 24/08/2014 23:53.
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Re: Belgium GP
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25/08/2014 00:38
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Rosberg finally show his true colour,(briefly in Monaco).
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Re: Belgium GP
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25/08/2014 13:38
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I saw 'the move' as a clumsy attempt by Rosberg to be aggressive but as it was effectively out of character it had the expected (if you could've known he was going to try it advance) result.
I was dreading Hamilton's post-race interview but he managed to do ok for once, apart from the implication that Rosberg is getting better/more reliable equipment.
It depresses me though that there is an underlying implication that if Rosberg were to go up to Hamilton and simply apologise for making a poor move he would be seen as weak, etc. Sports psychology has a lot to answer for.
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Re: Belgium GP
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25/08/2014 14:30
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Great to see Williams mixing it back with the big boys and not just because of a safety cars or other false premises.
Controversial I know, but I think Rosberg in the scheme of things, had to do something to show Hamilton, he would stand up to him in a wheel to wheel fight and that is what he has done? Yes it was a mistake and possibly even a "semi" deliberate, calculated mistake. BUT, had it been the other way around, what would have been the view then? Dare I say it, motor racing stopped being "sporting" many years ago? Hamilton drives more aggressively than Nico and throughout their careers, has probably bullied Nico into submission numerous times? However, Nico has stepped up as a more competitive animal and the whole incident has put down a marker to Hamilton that the gloves really are off? Hamilton cannot afford to crash with Nico for the rest of the season. The same is not true the other way around,thus reinforcing the advantage to Rosberg. I don't suppose Michael Schumacher would have had any qualms about the whole incident? I hope that Hamilton can turn things around. If he does, the season will have a tremendous climax and he will deserve huge accolades.
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Re: Belgium GP
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25/08/2014 15:39
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I'm not so sure about Rosberg having the edge. He appears to know he's not perceived as being as good as Hamilton wheel to wheel. Causing a collision doesn't appear to have altered that.
I don't expect his reception by the fans at the next GP will have been improved by his admission. Even Schuey didn't appear to like being booed.
I also think he may find 50/50 decisions going against him with the stewards in the future.
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Re: Belgium GP
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25/08/2014 15:59
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.....I'm just a bit surprised that Rosberg was so clumsy about a) the incident itself..... I see it as being similar to the footballing situation where a striker goes in for a tackle and upends someone and the commentator calls it a typical striker's challenge, i.e. it's not their natural game and as a result they're rubbish at it.
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