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More scaremongering or genuine concern? #1358395
09/07/2012 09:23
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According to the BBC a lot of people could lose internet access today or in the next few days, in this headline story. (Note it has a handy link to a DNS checking tool....I'm safe apparently!).

The question though is this, is it a real story or just a blown-out-of-proportion demand at a time when various departments are facing swingeing budget cutbacks, ergo they try and instil panic and fear in the populace, and government officials to ensure they keep their funding?

Or worse still, a good marketing tool for anti-virus producers?

Or even worse, lazy journalism? Personally, on this occasion I have my doubts about this particular option but you never know!

Anyway, I thought I'd post the link to the story and then people can check and see for themselves if they all get a "green tick" or a "red cross".....good luck folks!


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Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: stan] #1358396
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Yay, a green tick for me!

I think, given the number of machines involved, the story is a little hyped. How many people use the internet? Having said that it's still an issue that needs addressing.

Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: szkom] #1358398
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Originally Posted By: szkom
Yay, a green tick for me!




Okay, so that's two of us to keep the forum running! laugh


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Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: stan] #1358400
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Not particularly hyped; except in that the BBC and other news agencies have only just noticed something that's been discussed in the technical press for months.

The snag is that those for whom there would be an issue are those who are least likely to know what the problem is or how to deal with it.


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Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: barnacle] #1358418
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Originally Posted By: barnacle

The snag is that those for whom there would be an issue are those who are least likely to know what the problem is or how to deal with it.


Up I jumps.....am reading this only minutes after deleting a suspicious-looking email [not addressed to me personally, or personally signed] referring to Scottish government e-procurement services and server problems.

I investigated "support@elcom" and got a link to an Australian organisation that deals with intranet systems but still wasn't convinced!

Ah well if it's genuine after all better be prepared for uni info suffering from glitches.....


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Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: stan] #1358449
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Certainly over hyped. It's only 19000 machines, of how many in the UK which route to a DNS server? Probably more than 1 per population. Annoying for the 19000, though.


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Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: stan] #1358481
09/07/2012 12:33
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As of the end of June it was 300k distinct IP addresses - still a drop in the ocean, but significantly more than 19k individual machines.


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Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: stan] #1358490
09/07/2012 13:27
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I was referring to the curiously precise number of infections in the UK - 19,589, apparently. You would think with that number they could just find out whose they are and send the Men in Black round.


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Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: stan] #1358491
09/07/2012 13:28
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19k machines in the uk I think was the reference.

I got hit by this recently, Malwarebytes sorted it, and for a change it wasn't porn related but linked in to a win 7 theme id downloaded. No, that wasn't porn either., well, car porn maybe.

As said, I suspect the majority who who haven't fixed the problem most likely never will, although it made me wonder, why, if infected machines have to go through these servers could they not apply a fix remotely from those servers.

Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: stan] #1358500
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Because it's an offence under the computer misuse act.

What has happened is that the black hats cause an infected computer to refer its DNS resolution to a server they control, which in turn sends it to many naughty sites.

The US zapped the naughty servers, but were then faced with the problem of how to fix the issue; they chose to keep the servers on line, delivering *proper* websites, but to try and advise people they had an issue. They now want to just turn off the servers, which means that all those whose DNS configuration still points to one of these servers now won't get anything.

I'd have pointed them *all* to a single page reading something along the lines of:

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Your computer has been hacked. You need to fix it, now. Call your ISP immediately. Love, FBI xxx


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Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: barnacle] #1358514
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Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: barnacle] #1358516
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Originally Posted By: barnacle
I'd have pointed them *all* to a single page reading something along the lines of:

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Your computer has been hacked. You need to fix it, now. Call your ISP immediately. Love, FBI xxx


Don't know about you, but if a web-site I was browsing to redirected to the FBI web-site it would be new trouser time.


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Re: More scaremongering or genuine concern? [Re: stan] #1358679
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