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#1614170 - 08/01/2018 09:03 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: Edinburgh]
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Originally Posted By Edinburgh
Tbh it's very much in hibernation at the moment, seeing as ours is outside (though with a cover) and it's far too cold!

But imagine a couple of phoenix-like identically-mileaged broomies emerging at some unknown point in the future..... cool

Actually I've just reacquainted myself with your first-ever post - several answers contained therein!


Haven't set myself a target yet for when i want to have her finished however first major milestone with changing the belt and getting her fired up

Second the idea of a pop up tent or gazebo the lock up i use is only good for storage, i can't effectively work in there so have the car on wheel dollys and use a pop up gazebo to allow myself to keep working in the fine scottish weather.

A couple of things I've come across so far or hints to give. Soak everything in penetrating oil and i mean everything, front calliper bolts were a particular pita and took me ages to remove as i was conscious of shearing the bolt ( had this happen before and it was a nightmare to drill out).

Brake pipes - buy a kit and practice making them saved me so much hassle as I've broken every pipe so far from calliper to flexi laugh

Ive also accumulated quite a few spares from a ex track sprint i broke that blew its bottom end so if there is anything obscure your looking let me know as i may have it lying in the shed tongue


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#1614176 - 08/01/2018 10:37 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: ]
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Well done for getting the belts fixed - that's something for later when the engine's out and makes everything more accessible.

Everything within reach has been smothered in penetration oil right enough.

That's a very kind offer re parts - may well be in touch smile
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#1623911 - 13/08/2018 10:40 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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I take my hat off to you chaps. Looking like it's coming on quite well.It's one thing working on a car in the comforts of a well stocked roomy garage, as you lads know it's quite another kettle of fish when you're working in outdoor conditions that are far from ideal. Sterling work.... thumb


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#1623918 - 13/08/2018 14:15 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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cheers Jim!

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#1623928 - 13/08/2018 20:36 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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Good effort guys - keep it up.
The future's bright , the future's yellow! smile
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#1623954 - 13/08/2018 23:05 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Brilly1uk]
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Originally Posted By Brilly1uk
Good effort guys - keep it up.
The future's bright , the future's yellow! smile


From a porty owner that's praise indeed Mark laugh
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#1623998 - 14/08/2018 22:11 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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Good progress to say the least, 10/10 for effort keep it up bud.

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#1624006 - 15/08/2018 00:23 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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Cheers, Dan...

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#1624825 - 09/09/2018 10:02 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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More great work there Dante - I'm sure it's very satisfying to see it all coming back together smile

I remember Joe saying he used something called POR10 for the underside.

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#1624841 - 09/09/2018 22:29 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Gunzi]
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Think that should be POR15.

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#1624846 - 09/09/2018 23:27 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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I think the question was asked in relation to the new brake pipes, what to coat them in for protection. Given that the new pipes are copper, they won't rust like the OE steel items, or at least the uncoated parts of the OE pipes next to the unions. AFAIK the OE pipes are coated in PVF (polyvinylfluoride). The problem with the replacement pipes will be to keep the steel unions free of corrosion.

I've never used it, but POR15 is a rust prevention coating designed to be applied to rusty or "seasoned" surfaces (like the subframe and trailing arm for example) and for new brake pipes a "metal prep" coating is needed, which seems like a lot of faffing around to me.
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#1624860 - 10/09/2018 14:17 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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Your new pipes will probably be loose in the clips too.
I tried POR15 on cupronickel and it doesn`t key to the surface so you will either need to use primer/topcoat or bitumen based product. Or heatshrink.

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#1624863 - 10/09/2018 14:53 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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Yeah, I'm thinking heat shrink too, seen a forum where someone was recommending 6mm size, larger sizes might not shrink down enough, or create too thick a coating. And it doesn't matter so much if it gets damaged since the copper or cupronickel underneath won't rust - it's more for show than anything. But with heat shrink, does it only shrink radially (6mm diameter down to 3mm for example) or also longitudinally, so that a 12" length might end up at 10"?
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#1624871 - 10/09/2018 18:55 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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6mm would be great if slipped on before any flares are made. Lengths don`t get shorter, but I often use several overlapping sections anyway where it is hard to fit a single length due to bends.
If a 12mm 3:1 will fit over the ferrule the resulting diameter will be good and the shrink shouldn`t be loose, or a larger and higher ratio in glue-shrink but will be a fatter pipe...I will be doing some tests.
My original pipes seem to have overlaps in the plastic coat and are in good condition except where they have been bent at some point.
I`ve been using heatshrink-online as a supplier.

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#1625124 - 19/09/2018 17:02 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: Edinburgh]
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I used standard 12mm 3:1 for the swing arm pipes. Not quite as tough as the original but the pipes don`t need protecting.
Diameter is close match but not snug in the clips, i`m thinking I must have cleaned some waxy gunk from the pipes/clips as i`m sure they were tight when removed. Looks fairly original but I think the cheap unions I used will corrode must faster than the genuine sort as there is vast difference in the quality of the finish.

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#1625125 - 19/09/2018 17:17 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: Edinburgh]
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12mm 3:1 looks like a good call, thanks, I will try that. I bought some brass unions and will try them instead of steel ones. Unfortunately my school chemistry is not good enough to tell me if brass + cunifer + steel parts all together is going to give a problem or not, but it's likely that the net 20 years will see the Coupes run less miles and mostly in nice weather, so they should last longer than OE.
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#1625130 - 19/09/2018 20:28 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: Edinburgh]
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I just covered a part finished pipe with 9mm 3:1 as I didn`t have 6mm to hand. The result makes the ones I did before look awful as they have some wrinkles at the bends.
Next time i`ll use 2 lengths of 6mm with an overlap.
I didn`t see any brass fittings while shopping. I thought there were black fittings for cunifer but I didn`t find them yet.

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#1625783 - 07/10/2018 17:56 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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Well done guys.
Keep it going team!
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#1625787 - 07/10/2018 18:34 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Brilly1uk]
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#1625851 - 09/10/2018 14:44 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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Excellent effort chaps!

A lesson to what tag-team restoration in the great Scottish outdoors can achieve!

Your bringing her back to life week by week - I hope the weather holds as long as possible before winter sets in and slows work.

Top Job!

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#1626422 - 28/10/2018 10:42 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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It’s certainly coming along

Can’t believe you towed it out using your own pride and joy
Simon

That’s full on dedication there!

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#1626431 - 28/10/2018 17:04 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Alan_K]
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It’s certainly coming along

Can’t believe you towed it out using your own pride and joy
Simon

That’s full on dedication there!


There's something I just lerv about that towing eye laugh

Tbh it was a little lighter with various bits taken off and all the upholstery removed....
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#1626555 - 30/10/2018 19:24 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt [Re: Edinburgh]
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Nice one Simon!
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#1626602 - 31/10/2018 18:40 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: Edinburgh]
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The discs don`t look too bad at least. smile
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Good effort getting that collar off I must tackle mine.
Handy to see some pictures of how the car is supposed to look like with crash foam in place, both air ducts and intact slam panel.

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#1627118 - 20/11/2018 14:49 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: Edinburgh]
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Track rod end boot is split in that last pic.

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#1627125 - 20/11/2018 17:18 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: GrahamL]
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Spot-on Graham - thanks to your whizzo wishbone removal tool we were able to wheech it off and replace it recently along with the pinchbolt.

Just a bit behind with keeping the thread up-to-date!
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#1627682 - 07/12/2018 14:19 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: Edinburgh]
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Great job on the n/s/f caliper, and thank goodness for miracles!

In the last pic there looks to be a chunk missing from the OE pipe to caliper, or is it just the plastic coating? Is the pipe underneath OK?

Have you got any pics of the calipers before you started? Just curious to see what state the guides and bolts were in before the miracle?

Also is there a piece of wheel arch liner/gearbox end cover missing? The rubber "ring" around the brake hose looks like it might get cut to shreds by the rough edge of the bodywork there.
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#1627685 - 07/12/2018 15:10 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: Edinburgh]
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yes- we certainly removed that piece of gearbox 'trim' / wheel arch liner, quite recently in fact.

Simon was holding it last night!

Not sure how you are seeing that brake line, Dave.
Although the brackets securing the lines to the strut and inner-arch mount are absent in that shot; it should should show the hard-line join to the brake-flexible, then 'join' (pipe has no union on it) to another short hardline, which is actually screwed into the rear of the caliper.

we just knocked that short brake line up (with a union only on one end) to get a size for a couple to be remade for us.

I'm sure Ive got some earlier Brembo footage somewhere...

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#1627733 - 09/12/2018 16:44 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: dante giacosa]
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However- Further to your request for footage on guides, 'before' a scratch-up with the 600-grit paper...

See the 2nd to last email on the project-thread, of 11:43 on the 7th, which shows the guides laid out on a black background, in their raw state.
The following shot of them on the anvil, is 'afterwards'...


Edited by dante giacosa (09/12/2018 16:45)

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#1627746 - 10/12/2018 12:03 Re: Resurrection - 61,000m Broomy 20vt: Discussion [Re: dante giacosa]
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Originally Posted By dante giacosa
Not sure how you are seeing that brake line, Dave

In this pic click to enlarge look where the screwdriver at the top passes behind the brake pipe: just below that "intersection" there appears to be a chunk missing out of the pipe?

Originally Posted By dante giacosa
See the 2nd to last email on the project-thread...which shows the guides laid out on a black background, in their raw state.

I meant before that even, what did the guide screws look like before the miracle work was done?


Edited by Edinburgh (10/12/2018 14:31)
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